LOL@ Floyd being a " NIGHT MARE MATCH UP FOR MARG .."

Read this and get back with me.:hi: :deal
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80769&page=5


"Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers [for a multi-fight contract extension] that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other [in the future]."

""That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road." (Floyd ended up making over $20 million for Oscar, Arum is obviously upset now)

"Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million." (He was willing to fight Marg, but wanted more against Cotto and Hatton, which was justifiable. Especially with Hatton)

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2420382

There you go dude. You people are idiotic with the ducking crap. Arum should have given Floyd his money and the fights you wanted would have happened.

Blame Bob Arum.

 

Mayweather would run from Margo in the ring. Doesnt mean he is running from him now. He has money now, wait till he is out of it.

 

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Oh so it's okay for Margarito and his team to insult Mayweather despite not accomplishing nothing in a division he has been in for so long but it's illegal for Mayweather to fire back with similar responses? :huh

Why the hell would he want to fight Margarito then Baldomir when he had a chance to fight Baldomir and then Oscar De La Hoya for FAR more money?

About whopping meal tickets, Arum had way more meal tickets as already proven when Margarito lost to Williams. He has Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto and MANY others.

Oh so Mayweather is the reason of MMA's growth?, as far as I remember his fight with DLH made the biggest PPV buys in boxing history and his fight with Hatton attracted A LOT of fans, making 850+k in PPV buys. He killed the sport alright because he didn't fight Margarito, what a great analysis you have there. Fighting Margarito wouldn't have made above 350k judging by how unknown Margarito was back then, even more unknown than Baldomir. I'll ask you this, if Margarito was a perfect opponent back then, then sure I'll agree with you but what has Margarito really accomplished back then in comparison to anyone else?, please inspire me.

Yup, he sure as hell fears the concept of fighting Margarito but didn't fear:

Hernandez
Chavez
DLH
Hatton
Castillo X2
Corrales
Manfredy
Gatti
Judah
Baldomir

and many others. You seem to be forgetting that when Mayweather announced his retirement officially after his last fight Margarito had a LOSS to Paul Williams, a loss he doesn't care to avenge, pretty much in similar fashion to all the rest of his losses. According to your logic, guys like Cintron, Williams, Cotto, Andrew Lewis, Manuel Gomez and MANY more should be given awards for saving boxing, they fought the destructive force in Margarito, right?

Again I repeat this question, please tell me what has Margarito accomplished in terms of solid victories and overrall achievements back when Mayweather was a new Welterweight. Also, I'd like an answer to why the likes of DLH, Mosley, Forrest, Mayorga, Spinks and Judah were Undisputed champions in the division and Margarito never came close to fighting them?, is it because the entire Welterweight division ducked him?, that will only make sense on delusional island.

That's a load of junk, the same was said after almost all of his fights and when he came out victorious people find a way to hype someone else and discredit the victory. Since when does fighting Margarito guarantee legacy?, having 39 successful professional fights, p4p#1 for two years, fighter of the year 1998/2007, 5 division world champion and 6 time world champion is nothing compared to fighting Margarito?, a man who only recently made some serious noise by beating Cotto?

Again I repeat the question, what has he accomplished when Mayweather was a new Welterweight?, media hype means nothing and I suggest you start rating based on actual performances, resume and general ability. Beating Margarito was going to be looked at as beating Baldomir or anyone else back then and it wasn't even worth the trouble considering he had EVERYTHING to lose and absolutely NOTHING to gain in terms of credit and money in comparison to fighting Baldomir and securing the official #1 spot at Welterweight and lineal title.

That's what you're hoping to see and you're thinking Margarito will be the one to get it. If he doesn't then it's pretty much obvious that he'll get no credit at all. Pretty much "Yeah, we saw it coming" in terms of general reaction. You want him to lose and you think Margarito is the one to do it, if he doesn't then someone else will definitely replace him and very quickly. Paul Williams maybe?, Pavlik?, I remember haters were desperate enough to rate Vivian Harris to be the man to do it.

Conclusion, Margarito might want to focus on avenging at least one of his losses. He has 5 and never attempted to avenge any, his first three we'll ignore, sure thing don't cry on that, I know he was 12 years old when it happened. What about the available and willing Santos?, what about the available and willing Williams?

 

1. He wasn't 12, he was 16 in his first loss and 18 in the next two. So, if we are to ignore the first 3 losses, u're talking about 2 losses, not 5.
2. He has already fought Santos twice. If u're talking about a trilogy, that's another thing . Personally, I see no reason for Margo to go up in weight and try to avenge that loss (it was on cuts ffs) right now, that he is a world champion and has so many bigger fights to his feet. As for the Williams rematch, well Margo hasn't retired yet like Floyd, so there's always a chance we'll see that fight in the future, isn't there?
3. One question for you: If PBF fought Margo and lets say he got KTFO, do u think that would mean his is not as great as ppl think he is? My answer is NO.

I am not a PBF fan or a Margo fan, I don't know who is to blame that a fight between them hasn't taken place yet. But with Floyd retired, I blame HIM the most.

 

His first fight with Santos can't even be considered a fight, the fight was a 1 rounder which ended with a headbutt causing it to be a NC, no one came out victorious that night. The rematch though he lost, I know a headbutt is what caused it to be stopped but still Santos was ahead on the cards and won the fight. He still has a win over Margarito and that shouldn't be ignored as you're trying to here. A rematch offer has come from Santos, not Margarito, to make things even worse. Same goes for Paul Williams.

Floyd's retirement can be justified. The man has accomplished enough already, as a matter of fact he has accomplished more than Margarito and almost everyone in his record. Margarito retiring will be bashed on for a long time considering he's only starting now as he got the spotlight only recently for beating Cotto.

You're referring to Mayweather there as not being considered as great as people think if he loses?

If so then I agree, a loss is a loss and doesn't mean all past accomplishments will be erased. However if you meant Margarito then that would harm Margarito really well considering he's only rising now and there's a lot of hype behind him despite very few serious opponents on his resume. Please remember that this is based on Margarito fighting Floyd in 2006.

That's because you have no clue whatsoever.
When Mayweather retired please tell me who Margarito fought in his two fights the same year and what was the outcome of the first fight he had that same year?

As far as retirement is concerned, when someone accomplishes that much it's pretty obvious that losing interest is going to come sooner or later. It reached a point that people talk trash about certain fights Mayweather needs to take and when he does people immediately select someone else as a "better" option as they know he's set to win anyway. Reached a point where if he won it's "Yeah, he's supposed to win anyway, who cares.....<insert new hype job's name> would beat him".

 

The best one on here in that aspect. Mine is an attempt to try n' pull that off and got beat. Damn!

 

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I am not trying to do anything. A loss is a loss, even on cuts.

I don't deny PBF has accomplished more than Margo IN GENERAL, not at Welterweight. That doesn't mean his retirement is "justified", this is your opinion, and mine is different. And you sound as if PBF hasn't been bashed for retiring.

Yes, i was referring to Mayweather.

The "you have no clue, I'm right" approach isn't a way to argue. Don't talk to me like you talk to Margo, or Pacman or I don't know who else's fanatic fans.

I am not accusing PBF for not fighting Margarito THEN. I blame him for retiring so soon, not giving fans the opportunity to see him in more great fights and further cementing his legacy. That's my take on the matter and I don't give a damn about the haters who sit in the corner waiting for Floyd to lose, and when he wins, they pick someone else as a better option. Don't give ME that. I don't need it, cause I'm with you on that one.

Truth is, Floyd's accomplishments at Welterweight are wins vs Mitchell, Judah and Baldomir. If you want to count the win vs Hatton there, go ahead, I don't. So if you ask me, yes PBF had A LOT to prove at 147. Too bad he lost interest at age 30.

 

Agreed. :good

Sure he was bashed for retiring, wasn't Lewis bashed A LOT for retiring?, people move in. I'm talking about overall accomplishments not just his Welterweight resume.

Then my response to it is still there.

That wasn't an insult when I said you didn't have a clue, I said that because judging by your post you did prove that you didn't have a clue. It wasn't a way of insulting, just pointing that out.

There's nothing wrong with retirement when you don't have the desire anymore. It was clear he's losing the desire to continue and in a dangerous sport like boxing when you have no motivation you're better off retiring or dying in the ring.

His win over Hatton counts, of course it doesn't count now because the fight happened and the result is obvious. Hatton proved he's a worthy challenger as the fight was going till he was eventually broke down. As far as the rest of his fights, they might be not impressive to you but in reality they are solid wins, the Mitchell one can be put on side here since it was nothing but a new weight fight and a tune-up for Judah after it. Baldomir was the lineal #1 Welterweight at the time, it's not Mayweather's problem Margarito didn't come close to being recognized as the top Welterweight and only got there nearly 2 months ago.

 

Sorry, but your information about Floyd and Arum is totally false. The 8 mil was part of a smear campaign/phony offer Arum made to make Floyd look exactly the way as you told it. The original offer was for 7 mil, and Arum knew floyd was leaving him anyway. Why would Arum offer Floyd 8 mil when he didn't even make that with a name opponent in Gatti? Floyd didn't make 8 mil until Goosen promoted his fight with Baldomir who beat Judah and Gatti. Floyd and the word "afraid" is your opinion along with AM fans...

 

For some reason many people are just not taking in the fact that Floyd will not fight in any fight Arum promotes because HE IS SUING HIM!

 

Exactly.................

 

Of course Hatton proved to be a worthy challenger. But cmon man, the guy is NOT a welterweight, if he fought at 147 he would be KILLED. Of course the win counts in Floyd's resume, it's a solid win, I just don't count it as a win vs a welterweight, Ricky fights at jr. welterweight.

As far as Judah and Baldomir, yeah they are good wins, but we're not talking about elite welterweights here. If Floyd was active now, imagine him fighting the likes of Cotto, Margo and Williams. The whole PLANET would want to get a ticket for a fight like that, plus a win there would SHUT UP many of Floyd's critics and add up to his legacy. I just don't buy that retirement thing.

 

Jr. Welterweight or Welterweight I would still pick Mayweather over him. In the end the fight was signed at Welterweight and Hatton agreed to it, if he had doubts about his performance at that weight the fight was going to be called off. Please note that Hatton was called out when both were at 140 and Hatton didn't have issues saying he needs more fights to be ready so if making 147 was going to be major issue for him he would have easily said so and turned it down.

Yeah I know those fights would be huge but still his retirement can be understood. If you followed his career and noticed all the fights he has been through and all the accomplishments he has achieved already you will realise that fight Margarito or Cotto shouldn't be as interesting to him as it is to you or me. He has done everything he can and gave the sport his life, he knows when it's time to say enough and that's what most fighters don't know how to do. If he had the motivation he wouldn't have retired and I highly doubt he's scared of certain opponents he can face, the man can make 140 if he wanted to, if he wanted to fight he was going to go to 140 if Margarito was scaring him as much as some people claim. Didn't he turn down $20 million to rematch Oscar?, it's already obvious, not money or anything would motivate him so he's better off out.

In the meantime, Margarito should focus on fighting guys that already beat him. His already announced plans show zero signs of possible rematches with guys that already beat him.