LOL @ The Ring's Ratings

I personally give no merit to official results whatsoever. I treat them as interim until i've scored the fight myself.

I still feel the ring compile the best ranking out of everyone out there.

 

Those idiots need a brain scan.

They admit that Cloud got a gift decision but still have him at the top and Canpillo at 7.

They say Williams won a "meaningless" fight but put him at nr 7.

 

Chisora is #11 but Helenius should be #12 really.

 

Yes, but their subjective opinion is the official opinion of record, and at some point it will be relied upon. Ours never will be. At some point you're relying on the opinion of others. Unless you plan on scoring every fight ever recorded, where would the integrity of such a thing begin and end?

Officiating, good and bad is a part of every sport. And often affects the outcomes of events. I'd also like to say there is a big, big difference in poor/incompetent officiating, and corruption, obviously. Corruption should NOT be accepted on any level, yet, it is, all the time in boxing. It's a shame.

In the end, it is simply a magazine. But it's rankings do carry weight that other mags/outlets don't. But it only carries as much weight as the consumer allows. It's a take or leave it kind of thing.

I'd like to add that it's standing has taken a hit since GB took over.

Praise, and acceptance are 2 different things. Their rankings are far more accepted than say boxrec or yahoo sports or espn or boxing monthly etc.

There are going to be holes and inconsistencies in any rankings you could find. It's unavoidable.

We're getting into a kind of philosophical debate now, but I think what we are both moving towards is that there is an absence of an impartial entity at the top of the sport. Above and beyond sanctioning bodies and promoters and state athletic commissions, etc. Am I right?

 

I usually agree with the Rings rankings to an extent, but Chisora and Campillo should be higher.

 

actually his performances against guys who were heavily favored to beat him were so strong that his oppenents were left making excuses after the fights.

he exposed Helenius and in a way showed that Vitali's strenghs can be removed by keep him on the back foot.

 

I agree with all the negative comments, with one large caveat:

As inconsistent as the Ring's methodolgy is, at least they have stated publicly, for the record, that boxing is corrupt & that some fighters must be ranked higher than their official records would indicate.

This alone is a HUGE thing.

Now if they could just get it right ....

 

I'm not defending it at all. As you know, I give no credit to official results.

I'm just saying what I think their motivation is.

The viewpoint of 3 men at ringside means nothing to me because my view is more important for my opinion.

My point was more along the lines of; since they're choosing to recognise the official result, the least they could do is promote campillo to the place directly beneath cloud.

 

I have said many times that The Ring ratings are very bias and often a joke.
Still I do understand them a bit in a way. The Ring is an American based magazine that focuses on American fighters/fighters based in America or fights in America.
Campillo gets a bad decision in Germany and it doesnt have a great impact, yet gets a bad decision in America which The Ring is more aware of so they have tried to make a decision.
I mean look at The Rings current SMW ratings where you have journeyman G Johnson at #8 who previously at SMW was a journeyman who couldnt beat many fighters, now he has dropped back to SMW where in three fights he has won just one over A Green coming off a loss. In fact Johnson has lost more at SMW than won. Yet B Magee who in his last five fights has lost to Bute but beaten world rated Larsen winning the European SMW title, beat world rated Markussen, won the WBA int title and has fought away most of his career and has a better SMW resume than the current numbers 5 -10, yet he isnt in the top 10. Work that out :huh.

Heres an old thread I did a while back


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294435

 

I understand where you're coming from, but there is definitely a line to be drawn between making in error in good faith while fulfilling one's duty and being flat out corrupt. One can be tolerated, albeit disliked, the other can't.

Everyone should be able to watch and score a fight and come to their own conclusions. These boards of full of fight fans who do it all the time.

Unfortunately, it still doesn't change the official or historical winner of the fight. And when it comes down to it, we are all just voicing our subjective opinions.

The Ring cannot just out and out disregard the official winners in favor of their own opinions, even if the panel themselves find differently.

I'm in no way defending any particular ranking or whatever, I just think that IF they are doing their rankings with objectivity and are unencumbered by self interest, they are acceptable to me, even if I disagree.

 

While I agree that a historical winner has to be rated higher as that cannot really be discarded and ratings should be based on factual results but The Ring have suited themselves a bit.
Consider how Kessler beat Froch, then Froch beats Abraham coming off a loss and gets put above Kessler. Ward just got put above Bute for either his win over Bika or Green, yet Bika was someone Bute who was #1 had beaten already.
Now Froch has lost to Ward he has been put below Kessler.
Pascal was #5 LHW after his 2 wins over Diaconu, then beats Branco and finds himself at #3 with Dawson at #1. I cant remember what the shuffle was in fairness to get Pascal such a rise after beating old Branco but it looks like The Ring was hoping to get a Ring champion at LHW.
Now Pascal beat Dawson and became Ring champ. Hopkins has just drawn with Pascal and become #1 LHW which is understandable, but Dawson has been moved to #3 and Cloud to #2 for beating former LMW title challenger Zuniga? why should Cloud have jumped Dawson with a win over Zuniga? Surely if Cloud gets so highly rated for a win over Zuniga to jump Dawson why has Ward jumped ahead of Bute when Bute scored a 4th round KO over Zuniga previously.