Loma and p4p misunderstanding

So let me get this straight, even if 2 guys are the same height, similar reach, and weigh the same, it doesn't matter one can "bully" the other with "size" due measurements of ankles, thighs, wrists, etc? Weight classes don't matter, it's about how big someone "looks" after rehydration?

Those are some sorry ass excuses. I didn't know points could be taken away after a win if one guy had bigger broad shoulders than the other. Where does it say that in the sanctioning bodies' guidelines?

So LLomachenko can weigh 132 in the amateurs but 6 years later as a grown ass man, expecting him to compete with men who walk around at 140 (which is speculation I might add) and cut 5 lbs is asking too much? Those guys are weight bullies? LLoma at 32 years old can't put on a couple more lbs of muscle and deal with it even though people in this very thread admit he walks around and 138?

What kind of foolishness are we talking about?

LLomachenko fighting a damn near 40 year old 5'4 midget Rigondoux moving UP from bantamweight? Totally legitimate win that you can't blame on size for Rigo's loss.

The inconsistencies and cherry picked excuses are mind numbing. Don't ever compare LLoma to true p4p boxers such as Armstrong, Hearns, Pacquiao, Chavez, Duran, Mayweather, etc if he's gonna cry over opponents literally the same height and weight when those guys were going up 3, 4, 5+ weight divisions (sometimes against men towering over them).

Cry me a river. Like i said, you guys don't understand what p4p means making these moronic excuses about bOdy FrAmEs and He LoOkS bIgGeR aFtEr ReHyDrAtInG.

 

Take away Hearn's win over Duran. Doesn't count, Hearn was a weight bully dragging up the tiny lightweight using his broad shoulders to ensure a victory. But if Duran were to beat Hearns, hey, that would be an amazing win apparently.

Errol Spence didn't beat Shawn Porter or Mikey Garcia. Those wins should have asterisks* since he was so much bigger than them "naturally" and walks around at like 155. Doesn't matter what the scale said in the weigh in.

This whole time I thought if you make a certain weight you can fight at that weight.

This whole time I thought p4p boxer meant someone's skill was the best in the world regardless of weight--that they could hypothetically handle almost anyone in a nearby weight class due to their insanely high ability and ring IQ. I didn't know that if an opponent had big bulging wrists, broad shoulders, bigger ankles that the WBC/WBA etc would take points away.

^this! This is the part that kills me!

You had all these fans talking so much trash about how Lopez was one dimensional and would be taken to school or gas out trying to go for the KO. I don't remember seeing a single post where people complained about how "huge" Lopez was or wondering if he'd be too big and strong for LLomachenko.

 

Let's say for the sake of argument Lopez is indeed just a big weight bully and so much "naturally bigger".

Was LLomachenko considered p4p #1 by MANY people on this site and several others? YES.

Which means he was considered the BEST boxer in the world before the fight? YES.

Which means that his SKILL should have been enough to overcome a slight advantage in strength and frame that people keep crying about. Are size and strength the only thing that matters now?

Did Lopez walk LLoma down and slug it out or brawl with him imposing his size? No, he actually fought at mid range operating behind a jab. When did all this supposed massive size and strength advantage come into play? I've asked this at least twice now.

Does having broad shoulders automatically make your opponent gunshy hardly throwing anything for 7 rounds in a row? Is that a common side effect? Lmao.

 

Yes skill has limits. A skilled featherweight would never beat even a medicore natural super middle weight in the ring.

But we're not talking a difference of 40-50 lbs, we're talking about 2 guy's that are the same height and same weight. Lopez dehydrating to like 140 is what, 5 lbs? You're telling me the best boxer in the world can be completely neutralized and helpless for 7 rounds due to that miniscule amount?

I don't buy it.

Occams razor means the simplest explanation is the most likely.

I'm guessing either team LLomachenko was way too confident and wrote Lopez off only to have an "Oh St**" moment once they realized how good he was in the ring (kind of like Ali vs Liston)

Or May be LLomachenko isn't this boxing God people are making him out to be. Other boxers have overcome MUCH WORSE odds and succeeded!

To answer your question yes i have sparred people larger than me. When there was a significant gap in skill, I embarrassed them. That's usually how it goes lol. Why are the rules suddenly different for LLomachenko? If you're going by the phrase "good big man beats good little man" then why do people have such a hard time giving Lopez his props as a skilled fighter? That also seems to be the much more logical explanation than "HE HAD BIG SHOULDERS AND WAS BIGGER DURR".

 

And the point that people keep ignoring is that 10 lbs should not be enough to nullify the supposedly #1 p4p boxer on the planet. A guy people have been showering with praise from day 1 as Jesus with boxing gloves.

Somehow lesser boxers have overcome worse odds. When you write off Lopez and never bring up a few extra lbs as a potential issue before the match but now it's suddenly an issue afterwards than you are admitting LLomachenko is nowhere near the #1 p4p guy in terms of skill.