Loma "I wont be like the rest who need 20 or 30 fights before they fight a elite fighter"

He is truly an amazing talent.

 

No, WSB is no different to current AIBA's today, but with just two extra rounds. Sure, it's paid, but a lot of AIBA's are paid for anyway through other means. The rules are completely amateur based, moderated by the referee in an amateur manner, judged by the judges used in amateurs, padded gloves that are harder to inflict damage with that don't even allow for a clench of a fist to the extent of the pro glove, the fighters all have active amateur careers etc. It's essentially a semi-pro tournament.

Any Gold Medalist (maybe multiple Gold medalist) in history who's ultimate stylistic threat is Salido/Maidana type, they won't beat Salido in their second pro fight.
Mayweather with all of his pro experience, just after his sublime performance (his top 3 performance ever) against Canelo, drew IMO with Maidana. Salido is better than Maidana, what is a 1-0 pro really supposed to do to him, especially given Salido is an even bigger crook than Maidana can dream of being? Yet I had Vasyl winning by 1 round (although Salido 116-112 is even a good score IMO).
The Vasyl that fought Salido and Ramirez (debut) wasn't even a 'great' fighter by any means, I thought he looked God awful as he hadn't adapted his 3 and 5 round strategies to prospective 12 rounders and was stressy about pacing. If you're in doubt, compare Jose Ramirez debut with Koasicha, Martinez etc.

Yes, Salido is better than Maidana.
He lost so many times when he was a teenager, so what? He's a cerebral fighter who gets better with age.
He lost to Marquez, Gamboa and Mikey Garcia. The others since Alejandro Gonzalez aren't real losses.

Marquez = prime, at 126lbs. ATG. Salido turned the fight around and ended up taking 5 of the last 6 rounds. Judges scorecards are totally wrong.

Gamboa = No shame losing to a 126lb version of Gamboa. Speed, reflex, size, power were all decent at that weight. Salido knocked Gamboa down. Gamboa was B level fighter at LW yet still rocked and was outpointing one of the biggest LW's ever in Crawford who happens to be a special talent.

Mikey Garcia = HUGE featherweight, loads of flash knockdowns - Salido always gets dropped even by nobodies but never hurt. Salido started to turn the fight around and increasingly was tagging Mikey until eventually Mikey quit with a broken nose.

Salido is now at the very top level, having fought an even fight with Francisco Vargas who is undeniably a top fighter. This is the best he's ever been.

 

He was paid to fight. It's the same with Mexican, Philippine pro records. They start in their teens.

I'm not sure Salido is better than Maidana. That is highly subjective. Maidana improved under Garcia. Let's say they are equal. For people to say that Loma can beat Mayweather, Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales .. is just crazy. The traits of greatness are there but damn let him prove himself more instead of annointing him an ATG in just 14 fights.

 

They're not pro bouts, it's not a matter of discussion it's a fact. Can you go to boxrec and find those 8 WSB fights?

 

He's had a bunch of WSB fights and been to two Olympics. Hardly a novice is he but he is an exceptional fighter.

 

The Filipinos start in their teens fighting pro bouts. It has no relevence to WSB/Amateurs

 

He was paid to fight under contract. That's the difference between amateurs and pros.

 

Boxrec is not a sanctioning body and is missing a lot of pro fights. Certain pro federations recognize WSB fights. Regardless of that (it doesn't matter) they're 5x3 bouts against world class opposition. Lomachenko is a double Olympic medalist not a novice.

 

The difference between what is pro and amateur is decided by those who actually run boxing, and WSB is ruled as semi-pro/amateur.

 

People are paid to spar, let's put that on their records. It's not really a pro boxing bout - all of the things I've mentioned are the case, so it's not judged on official professional criteria. Hell, the weight classes are even completely different and there are far fewer. Many fighters agree to WSB on the basis that it will not be considered in their official pro records. It's really that simple, it's not intellectually honest to call it a pro bout, far too simplistic and dismissive of facts.

I'm sure of it. I am considering the fact that Maidana improved with Garcia (the extent is FAR overrated) and will certainly not say they're equal. There's no evidence to suggest they're equal. From eye test, they're clearly not. From resume, they're clearly not. Maidana is not on the level of a Francisco Vargas. The Broner fight was 116-112 so although it was a beatdown, his boxing skills were still preventing it from being a wider win (Cotto beat Mayweather up, Maidana beat Mayweather up in the second fight for example, yet lost).

 

World class amateur opposition, so same that he was fighting before in Olympics/World Championships. The only reason it seemed to exist is to bridge the gap for some amateurs turning to pros back when amateur scoring was different + headgear. Now it's just what, same as an amateur fight with two extra rounds? It's a glorified amateur match. Totally shouldn't count IMO.

 

And of course he's not a novice, he's turned pro at what, 24/25? He's been already boxing for 20 years when he turned pro. Still, amateurs ARE different and not many attempted let alone succeded in doing what he's done. It could set a new precedent though, maybe some will try to beat this.

 

Twist the argument any you want. It was not an amateur organization. Pac was a world champion at 20. Floyd at 21. Loma SUPPOSEDLY in his 2nd fight at what age? LOL You guys try to paint it in every good light as possible. The fact is Pac and Floyd are way more accomplished. And that IS in boxrec too.

Pac and Floyd were pro champs while Loma was still fighting amateurs at the same age. That's a direct comparison nobody can dispute.

 

Pac and Floyd didn't need damn 400 am fights....ridiculous

Basically a pro beating up on amateurs at that point

 

Boxing is not about age. It's about ring age, and in this context, PRO ring age.