Loma is P4P number 1 by a considerable distance.

Gifs and screenshots?

You were going off Lopez winning the round for chasing Loma around hitting arms and elbows.

I was verifying everything that landed in the round by comprehensively going through everything landed. Turns out Loma landed the more frequent impactful shots

 

I'm just telling you what the guy was doing who I schooled in a previous debate. He wouldn't watcht he rounds in real time.

What were there actual rbr scorecards with sources please.

And yes, if I score a fight 7-5 but for whatever reason decide to instead give 2 rounds to the other person it would become 7-5 the other way . Great observation.

 

You didn't verify anything it's just your biased take you're not an authority figure and what a telling blow is and your gifs and screenshots mean diddly squat.

Lomachenko was outlanded 11-5 in round 2 and fought like a sparring partner for 7 rounds in a championship fight, and then Lopez showed more desire and clearly won a big 12th round to seal any doubt in regards to the decision.

Deal with it.

 

I still got Loma on my P4P list but only 10th and could realistically put guys like Shakur, Teofimo, or Tanaka over him. I still think he's one of the best fighters in the sport but he is getting old and he doesn't have an incredibly deep resume but the asterisks around his losses do help him keep in good standing but only just. Yes, he's overrated, but he's still very good.

 

Even if we take all of this nonsense at face value and you use mental gymnastics to give Loma the win over Lopez, at best it’s a tight win.

How would that make him the best P4P fighter in the world by a “considerable” margin? Lopez is nothing extraordinary.

You are twisting the facts to suit your rather feeble argument.

 

Watching Loma in person today gave me a whole refreshed appreciation of the sport. Vasilly is the technical fighter of our generation by far

 

He just beat Kambumsos.

 

But....but...he LOST one of those 400 amateur bouts!

I'm going to be the turd in the punchbowl here. Boxers who fight less than once a year shouldn't be on a PFP list. Excluding injuries, these sorts are celebreties and not boxers. Would anyone call the KC Chiefs the best NFL team if their yearly record was 1-0?

No you don't have to be Harry Greb but 1 fight every 18 months doesn't cut it for me. Therefore Crawford, Loma, and maybe some others are off the list. Maybe even Usyk although it's Furys fault he hasn't had enough fights.

 

Salido is forgiveable. Not only was it only his 2nd pro fight (or 3rd?), Salido came in overweight and was allowed to foul him all night.

The Lopez fight is a bit less forgiveable tbh, stops Loma being p4p #1

 

If you only consider the skills aspect in P4P rankings (and that's fine) then Loma could still be considered top of the tree.

But tactical nous is also generally part of the equation along with physical abilities like your speed, power, stamina. The fact that Loma made some tactical errors in both his losing fights is his own fault, and drops him a few places for me. But I still consider him an incredible fighter from a technical POV and I love watching him fight because he does things you never see any other fighter come close to doing. It's a shame he's old, often undersized, and prone to making some poor strategic decisions over the course of his fights, as otherwise he'd be untouchable.

 

Nah not the 3 most significant.

I'd say Haney is the most significant fight he ever had.

Teo is one of his top 5 most significant.

Salido isn't that significant tbh. The only significance is that Lomachenko lost.

 

This type of post is the usual going overboard by the Loma cult we affectionately refer to as the Lomasexuals. Yes he did great and won the title again against Kambosos in Australia. A worthy feat at age 36 he deserves his flowers but this does not make him pound for pound number 1 especially when both Tank and Shakur in his division will likely beat him.

 

Lopez is a lot bigger than Loma. There is no natural FW that punches as hard as Teofimo.

Put Inoue in with Loma, guaranteed L for the Monster.

 

I really can’t comprehend how you can’t understand what I’m saying. I’ve pointed this out over and over… :

Clearly if you aren’t able to read basic sentences - and things I’ve clearly repeated to you over and over, you are not someone who can listen and understand.

The purpose of what I was doing minute by minute rallying up all the shots and assessing the impact of all punches, was because you were blindly claiming with zero detail just blanket Teo won those rounds (he won because was the aGgrEssor). I had to go beyond excessive detail in order to simply explain to you that what Lopez was throwing in rounds 2 and 6 weren’t landing and that the shots Loma were landing, were landing clean and with force.

In front of all that detail I presented you with, you still persisted claiming you were right with absolutely no evidence

 

Your attempt at being witty is quite blatant .. unfortunately getting “likes” don’t mean you’re right

You’ve given Loma 5 rounds. I’ve debated rounds 2 and 6 using a combination of normal speed and slow motion to verify what lands and the impact. I’ve done this for both rounds and proven Loma wins rounds 2 and 6 by way of landing clean punches.

You on the other hand repeating “watch it normal speed” is blanket for I don’t know what lands or lands clean so just let me score it inaccurately, therefore Lopez wins. Poor argument.

You’ve given Loma 5 rounds. He wins either round 2 or 6 and it’s a draw. He wins both, as I have proven.

Let’s quote you “ it’s easy to score”..then why have you been unable to ascertain that Loma outlands Lopez with cleaner more effective punches in normal speed?

I can already anticipate your next response, something along the lines of repeating the “can’t score fights in slow motion” card, which I’ve already explained.