Loma is P4P number 1 by a considerable distance.

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  1. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This nonsense is just stupid, whats the point in writing it?

    He absolutely boxed Haney's ears off and dominated the fight against a much larger and younger man. We all know that.

    Then Lopez lost "convincingly' to Kambosos....the guy Loma just pounded out and stopped.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    But you don't do that, you've done it once, in this specific example. Every RBR thread you score in real time.
     
  3. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    The facts are, you watched it in real time and stated Lopez landed 11 punches in round 2. This is beyond factually incorrect .

    Based on this “assessment” of the round, you don’t really have a weighted opinion of the fights outcome
     
  4. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Why don't people remember that Salido was 128.25, significantly over the weight limit of 126. Even then, the ref had to save Salido.

    The Teo vs Loma fight needs to be watched by an objective boxing expert. It was very close on a round by round perspective, but Loma whipped that ass in the clear championship rounds.

    Haney was a robbery.

    I agree Loma is underrated, but he is not above Inoue.
     
  5. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    I agree, worst case scenario for Loma is a draw, plus Loma won much bigger in rounds 7-11, plus Loma was the champion in 3 belts. FFS where is the "you have to beat the champ"? If you look at the scores such as 119-109, you know the fix was in.
     
  6. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Loma fights boxers two weight divisions bigger, standing in front of them, making them miss and then punishing them with combinations, moving and making them appear second rate.

    Compare this to Floyd, jab, and grab, or Canelo DDD, as long as I don't get knocked out I win, Alvarez.

    Loma is the best fighter of this generation, but past his prime.
     
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  7. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    Another emotional one...
     
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  8. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We don't know that. Lopez is big for 135 and punches hard at 140 and plausibly at 147.

    Assuming Inoue is scaled up to a SFW like Loma there is no guarantee he punches as hard as Teofimo, who is still much bigger than him.
     
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  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The statistics said Lopez landed 11 punches I'm not claiming that I'm saying I think Lopez clearly won the round regardless. Loma didn't do anything in the round until the very end as I said he fought like a sparring partner and wasn't throwing punches.

    You can win rounds with lower output but Loma's output was horrendous 88 punches thrown in 7 rounds for a Lightweight is abysmal.

    As I've asked you numerous times give me another example of a fighter only throwing 88 punches for over half the fight and then losing the last round clearly and winning a decision.

    I don't think you will find any example of a fighter winning a championship fight with such a low output.
     
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  10. Kev2k83

    Kev2k83 Active Member Full Member

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    There is no fighter who gives up so much physical disparity in boxing and gives them a run for their money.

    It's phenomenal.

    Maybe nick Ball hahaha but hes built like a brick shithouse.
     
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  11. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Lol - you have repeatedly claimed Lopez landed 11 punches in round 2, you are now trying to divert attention away from this. The facts are you used 11 punches landed as your argument for Lopez winning round 2, a key round in determining the outcome of the fight.

    Lopez did not land anywhere near 11 punches, which has been proven. And you claiming such just goes to show you have not watched the round properly (or at all). You're therefore attempting to debate a fight that you haven't even scored properly. Do you know how dumb that is?
     
  12. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    I agree. It’s interesting to see so many boxing “fans” belittle Loma’s accomplishments. He’s clearly a natural 126 pounder, but gives up significant weight in every fight. He wants to unify 135 and has a reasonably good shot if he stays healthy.

    After he’s done at 135, Loma should finish his career dropping down to 126 or maybe 130 to fight Inoue. Assuming his speed and agility are close to where they are today, I like Loma in that fight. The usual suspects will give him no credit. You know, the ones who are saying Inoue will spark him. Same guys will accuse him of picking on a smaller fighter. I haven’t seen them side by side but suspect they are closer in size than Haney was to Loma.
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you even read what I say ?

    I've already told you I rewatched the round last year because you was ranting about the decision exactly the same as you're doing now and I'll quote you the post if you like.

    I've watched the fight once and rewatched the round in question once because you kept persisting. I'm not going to keep rewatching the same round.....or watching the fight in slow motion because that's absolutely ridiculous.

    I thought Lopez clearly won in a competitive fight as did the 3 judges and so did the majority of the boxing fans. The fight itself wasn't that good and Loma was poor for his usual standards so I have no reason to rewatch it again.

    As for the punchstats I'm giving you an indication that they heavily favour Lopez in the round you're debating. Whether you think they are relevant is up to you but I don't really care, I'm not as invested in it or care about the fight enough as you clearly do. I'm judging it soley on what I see and i see Loma do absolutely nothing for a majority of the round.

    Again you never seem to answer the question.....when has a fighter won a championship fight throwing only 88 punches for over half the fight ? Give me just one example ? the fact you can't speaks volumes and furthers my argument even more.

    Fights are scored in real time and no judge is going to award a fight to a fighter who fought like a sparring partner not throwing any punches for over half the fight. Lopez won on aggression, activity, landing more power punches, and landing more overall punches in majority of the rounds it's that simple.

    I don't see why I have to keep doing these silly mental gymnastics to appease you because you can't get over a decision from 2020.....just accept the loss and move on.
     
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  14. steviebruno

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    Teo and Haney were big virgins that a 400 amatuer fight veteran like Loma should have been able to handle with ease. They aren't ATGs. Teo has looked like dog **** in every fight outside of Taylor. Haney struggled against Linares and was battered by a youtuber with mental health/ substance abuse issues and a big left hook.

    Stop it.

    He is a full fledged lightweight and gave up no size to Kambosos. None. Dude has the upper body of a ninja turtle.
     
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  15. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    This is the really funny. Because this is exactly what you have been doing.

    You never answered the question which I have been banging on about. You never showed me the 11 punches Lopez landed in round 2, you didn’t show any level of analysis on that so you can stop pretending you have

    I don’t really need to repeat myself, you’ve not attempted to look at round 2 and now you’re pretending you have. We’re done here, not going to debate you as you’re being dishonest and this will only result in a circular discussion (which I can already see)