Loma >>> Usyk

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  1. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Moving isn't running. Running is moving well out of range with the sole intention of staying out of range. That's not what Usyk did. He moved to stop Joshua setting his feet and gas him out, feinted to make him commit and then used his better hand and foot speed to land and pivot, re-set and go again. All the time taking advantage of the confusion his southpaw style caused. That game plan can only work if a boxer with less height and length is committed to staying in or just on the edge of range. Fights one and two were remarkably similar (and they were, the SD was BS) because it worked.

    If you said the above just to be provocative... lame. If you said it because you think it's accurate... :facepalm:
     
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  2. drenlou

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    Nah. They fight at the same level.
     
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  3. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    Fury did exactly what you just said Usyk did. Why are you hating on Fury for no reason?
     
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  4. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    I didn't mention Fury (weird thing to randomly bring up) and no he didn't. Fury circled at a far greater distance and did not have the height and reach disadvantages Usyk had vs Joshua, so he could execute that plan effectively.

    Fury boxed smart, but his much lower punch output in his fight with Wlad compared to Usyk's output vs Joshua tells us all we need to know about the relative ranges at which both fights were conducted.

    In range, a boxer has to throw and feint more or they're gonna get tagged, boxing and moving out of range means they inevitably throw and land less because... they're out of range. Go check the punches landed for either of Usyk's fights with Joshua and compare those to Fury's punch stats vs Wlad.

    Poor comparison...
     
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  5. split_decision

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    agreed
     
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  6. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Both great, I can’t pick one over the other. Two super skilled fighters who conduct themselves like true champions. Both guys are fighting bigger guys these days and winning. I wish they both stayed at their natural weight because they have no competition at their respective natural weights. They both have very good power at their natural weights.

    It’s a shame they both have to fight much bigger opponents to give the other guys a shot at a closer fight. Looking at Haney next to Loma, Haney would have to fight a big middleweight to give up as much size as Loma is giving up. Casuals and haters like to give them **** for not having great power at their chosen weights but who else fights guys two weightclssses above his weight like Loma does? Usyk is only one class up but he’s giving up even more size. He’s a natural cruiser.

    I don’t care what people say, these guys are doing things that are very rare these days. Most fighters have to boil down two classes and rehydrate to massive size. Loma and Usyk have to pack on pounds to just compete in the classes they are in. It’s amazing to see and I’m glad to be a witness to their greatness.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, not even close, Usyk was always right in front of AJ, just consistently out of range. Which enabled him to land 318 (148/170) clean shots over the course of two fights. Many of those shots were power shots, Usyk put himself in harm's way on more than a few occasions, but his defense is so sound and parrying ability so adept, he could take risks like that and they paid off. Standing in front of the second most dangerous puncher at HW for 24 rounds IS NOT running scared. Whereas Fury wanted no part of Wlad, frequently ran scared, took as few risks as possible, even resorting to playing stay away for long stretches and winning the rounds with his jab. Rarely committed to power shots or even trying to land them and when he did, they were slaps. Not to mention the incessant holding, which people tend to forget. Fury landed just 86 over 12 rounds, which is pathetic. Usyk landed almost twice as many shots in the first match and landed more than twice as many in the rematch when compared to Fury's pisspoor paltrey 86. Not to mention, both Usyk-AJ fights were tension filled and exciting. Fury-Wlad is one of the most painful viewing experiences I've had in a big time fight and is borderline impossible to rewatch.
     
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  8. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    Hmm....one has two losses the other has zero and is fighting bigger and stronger guys and moving up in weight while still winning belts against good competition. I wonder who's better lol...

    Clown thread.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk has fought three bigger guys

    AJ, Chisora and Witherspoon

    Loma has fought loads

    He was the much lighter man against

    Linares
    Pedraza
    Teofimo
    Commey
    Campbell
    Nakatani
    Ortiz
    Salido
    Martinez
    Crolla
    Ramirez
    Piriyapinyo

    So that's 12 of his 19 fights he was at least 1-3 weight divisions lighter, mostly 2 divisions

    And in 5 of his remaining 7 fights he was either a few pounds lighter or a whopping 1lb heavier

    And he's almost always at a reach disadvantage, often times a huge one

    Loma 65.5'' reach

    Walters 73''
    Commey 71''
    Campbell 71''
    Nakatani 71''
    Pedraza 70.5''
    Linares 69''
    Ortiz 69''
    Rodriguez 69''
    Teofimo 68.5''
    Rigo 68''
    Salido 67''
    Marriaga 67''
    Sosa 67''
    Crolla 67''
    Martinez 67''
    Ramirez 65.5''
    Russell Jr. 64''

    Usyk has a 78'' reach

    AJ 82''
    Chisora 74''
    Witherspoon's reach isn't listed but it's definitely bigger than Usyk's

    Terry is a great fighter but he has literally never been at a reach disadvantage in a single one of his world title fights or fights at the world level

    Floyd was very rarely at a reach disadvantage too, let alone almost a 6'' one which Loma often is at 135

    You can probably count on one hand the amount of times Floyd was in his 50 fights, maybe even with a few fingers left to spare

    You need four hands to count the amount of times Loma has been in 19 fights

    Yes Usyk is giving away more weight than Loma is against these giant HWs but a natural tiny frame 126 pounder giving away 10-15lbs is different to much bigger fighters at the much higher weights doing so

    And Loma should only have one loss. Anyone who scored the Salido fight against him doesn't deserve to get taken seriously because not only do you have to count a third of Salido's total punch connects as legal scoring shots despite the fact they were not legal at all, but you also have to agree that a fighter who cracks their opponent with 50-60 low blows doesn't deserve to have point deducted when they clearly deserved to be DQ'd. Had the corrupt as hell ref deducted just one point the fight would've been a draw and Loma still outlanded him by like 22 punches
     
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  10. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Serge hitting with equal right and left facts. :headbash
     
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  11. Serge

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    :lol:
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    Right now, in a current P4P sense, I find it moren than a bit baffling that anyone could reasonably rank Lomachenko ahead of Usyk.
     
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  13. Serge

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    No one does
     
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