Loma Won But....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Code Red, Jun 22, 2014.


  1. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He fights a style and pace where I can see him losing close fights on scorecards. By the 4th round it was clear Loma was bigger, stronger, better yet he played sparring match with Gary Russell. Loma needs to let his hands go , there was no reason to be that conservative when every time he threw combinations he hurt Russell. Also he'll start every round losing the first 2 minutes by not throwing anything but then follow up with hard shots in the last minute. It's good he can do that but it's a recipe for disaster.

    Russell didn't have any power or accuracy to hurt Loma, Loma should of walked him down and got him out of there. Instead he sparred for 12 rounds and put it in the judges hands, that type of decision making can get him robbed against the right opponent....
     
  2. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I kind of see it the same way. There seemed to be no sense of urgency in Lomachenko. He was winning the fight, I get that, but it was clear to me he could've taken Russell out by turning it up a notch.

    Russell, to his credit tried to turn it up, but Lomachenko proved to be too much. His defense was superb last night. He'd be a complete fighter in my eyes if he developed a bit more of that killer instinct.
     
  3. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He has to learn quickly that in the pro's it's better not leave it in the hands of the judges
     
  4. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    He has been fighting in the amateurs for many years. These are three round fights, often with headgear.

    To go into professional boxing, take on experienced opponents and FIGHT 12 ROUNDS is practically learning a different sport.

    I mean, boxing 3 rounders would be second nature to him. All of a sudden he has to face the possibility of being pushed for four times that amount....that is a huge ask. He has to relearn how to conserve energy, control his aggression, stay focused, pace his breathing etc. To be in that territory is great experience, especially if your opponent isn't a dangerous puncher.

    Whether intentional or not, he will become a much better rofessional boxer if he goes the distance like he did.
     
  5. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree Loma's defense was impressive, I wasn't expecting that, Loma can actually box! Usually people on these forums only get excited over power punchers and KO artists so I assumed Loma was just Mattysee hype part two..I consider Russell a pretty good fighter and beating him that easy is eye opening.
     
  6. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. People forget that stamina is an issue. He couldn't keep up a non-stop pace for 12 rounds. He was too conservative of stamina vs Salido (why he lost imo) but he got it just about right last night.

    He was clever not to punch himself out a few times he had Russell hurt. And Russell has blinding handspeed: it would have been foolish to overengage when ahead against a guy who has potential to land punches he wouldn't see coming.
     
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    Vasyl is taking his foot off the gas at the wrong time


    That is what I tweeted during the fight. He should have finished Gary. Manny Steward was rolling over in his grave
     
  8. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty accurate tweet, they want Loma fighting the best, champions, title holders, contenders in his first bouts....as a result he has to be lightning in a bottle, he has to win in dominant and convincing fashion. He won't get the benefit of the doubt against long term champions and established fighters.
     
  9. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's pacing. A couple more fights like that (12 good rounds vs. a dangerous opponent) should have him comfortable pushing it.

    A lot of people don't realize that Lomachenko's footwork is EXTREMELY taxing on the stamina. He's using the largest muscles of his body dynamically (leaping around, changing directions); contrast it to Hopkins' style (taking little baby steps to conserve energy). He used to do it nonstop for 3 rounds, but now he has to get the pacing right for 12.

    I think in a few fights you'll see him able to go hard for 12.
     
  10. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Insightful perspective:good

    Still would not hurt to have more of an experienced pro trainer assisting him. Joey Gamache was supposed to assume more and more responsibility from Loma's dad but I am not sure where that plan stands at the moment.
     
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  11. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, especially if they can work on power. Loma hits hard enough but he has a tendency to push his punches (I'm guessing it's an amateur thing, really make sure the head snaps back and the shot scores). I'd like to see him get a little more savage with some shots, but again, that'll use up a lot more energy.
     
  12. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loma has the talent and would conserve energy if he fought like Triple G instead of hopping around so much. i don't know if he has the p4p power (because he rarely sits down on his punches) or chin though. send him to big bear. btw, i guess everyone noticed Russell was reeling at the end of the fight, ready to go. also, i would've liked to have seen a lot more lead straight lefts.
     
  13. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This guy has some serious potential, obviously he is the most well-schooled 2-1 fighter ever. I hope he gets some fights in, maybe every other month or something like that, though I know that is tough given he fights for Showtime, don't think they have enough cards to accomodate him like that. I'd like to see him be more aggressive too, I think he should have knocked Russell out but I like what I see with him
     
  14. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Loma is with TR and will be back on HBO when Arum's company is the primary promoter.
     
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  15. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I think it'd cost him in a fight vs Gradovich. He should take a couple of more fights to get more adjusted before he fights him. Honestly, Donaire is an easier fight for him