Lomachenko Not Comparable to Past Greats

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  1. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

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    From my personal view, Pedraza took Lomachenko more seriously and performed better than when he fought Tank. In this fight, though he was beaten every round, he tried to give everything he got. Against Tank, he looked a bit unprepared, surprised and hesitant.
     
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  2. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wake up man, Loma only used his right jab for the first 10 rounds, he was clearly taking it easy and just trying to win without putting his right arm at risk, Loma's best weapon is the right uppercut probably and he didn't use it a single time in the first 10 rounds because he was managing his injury.
     
  3. Beremith

    Beremith Active Member Full Member

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    Floyd went 12 with guys like Berto, DeMarcus Corley, Carlos Rios and Gregorio Vargas. Some of them UDs happened earlier in his career and some when he was older. :xmas:
     
  4. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not excuses just something anyone with no agenda could observe.
     
  5. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All greats had fights where they looked bad and went the distance. I don't know if Loma is great yet, but to say greats don't have bad fights or decisions is not true. It is the totality of the career and who they fought and beat in that career.
     
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  6. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are some flaws in Loma which are clear. He is busy and energetic to the point where without that energy he becomes average. He is open to a right uppercut and sort of a left hook if someone can jab to the body and head and throw the hook. He gets under it usually but if he is hit with a jab, which he can be that could change that. He is so busy and fast guys don't have a chance to counter him they are overwhelmed, but eventually they will. 10 more tough fights and this style shows wear and tear.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    If Lomo knocked him out in three they would say his opponent was a bum.
     
  8. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    'All time great' Floyd Mayweather Jr needed 12 rounds to beat a guy named 'Larry O'Shields', who has 12 losses and 17 wins out of 32 bouts. And has 5 knockout losses. Jose Pedraza > Larry O'Shields

    Floyd Mayweather also needed 12 rounds to beat a guy named Gustavo Fabien Cuello who has a record of 21 losses, 5 KO losses and 23 wins. Jose Pedraza only had one loss and one knockout loss prior to facing Lomachenko and had 25 wins. Thus, Jose Pedraza > Gustavo Fabien Cuello.

    Therefore, Lomachenko going 12 rounds against Jose Pedraza whilst shutting Pedraza out > Floyd Mayweather Jr going 12 rounds against those above bums who are proven to be inferior to Pedraza.


    As for Roberto Duran, he went 12 rounds against a guy named 'Eduardo Frutos' who has a record of 21 losses, 5 by knockout and only 10 wins. In other words, he is SIGNIFICANTLY inferior to Jose Pedraza. And in other words, Lomachenko shutting out Pedraza and winning via 12 rounds decision > Roberto Duran going 12 rounds to beat that bum that is 'Eduardo Frutos'.


    I could do the same thing with Chavez Jr but you get the point! So your first sentence in your original post has been THOROUGHLY debunked!
     
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  9. Rock0052

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    The OP is right. He's not comparable.

    In 13 fights, he's gone 11-1 in world title fights, won titles across three divisions, and he's 7-1 against current or former champs. He tied the record for fewest fights to win a world title and set it for winning world titles in two and three divisions.

    His opponents, in total, have only lost 31 times going in to their fights with Loma, and he's already P4P number one.

    Apparently, being the fastest ever for things is a bad thing now. Who needs guys who do historical stuff right off the bat like Inoue and Loma?
     
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  10. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

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    Loma made his opponent 'no mas'.

    Duran, on the other hand, is the pioneer of 'no mas' and an undisputed champion in this category. :biggrin:
     
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  11. FastSmith7

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    "He is busy and energetic to the point where without that energy he becomes average" ???????????
    "10 more tough fights and this style shows wear and tear." Loma has the least wear and tear out of any fighter probably, he barely gets punches, his only tough fight where he got some damage was the Linares fight but yesterday Pedraza did not land one hard shot on Lomachenko in 12 rounds.
     
  12. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    These threads, the day after an elite fighter has a routine win, which try and place that boxer in their historical context based on a rudimentary performance are as predictable as night following day (Unless you live close to either of the poles for which you have my greatest sympathy).

    It's the over-eagerness which is the funniest, like they postpone the morning self-pleasuring ritual to get straight to the keyboard to bash out something else entirely.... beige, vanilla musings of utter nothingness...

    Loma won. In second gear. I'll judge his career when it's done and dusted.

    Next.
     
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  13. gdm

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    Man your IQ must be below 70 . Loma is featherfisted and so was floyd . Floyd UD’d many bums and in such a boring fashion that his biggest fans will never remember any of those fights.
     
  14. 3rdegree

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  15. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All the guys you listed are miles bigger than Loma.

    Like asking why didn't Floyd stop Canelo and old De La Hoya in his 5th weight division.