Lomachenko Not Comparable to Past Greats

I'm kinda with you (kinda'), but like these other fellas are saying, everybody has a bad night and I don't think you can find one proper ATG that didn't have at least one fight that most folks thought he lost. Loma didn't even lose. He just didn't stop his opponent as fast as his more vociferous supporters expected him to.

 

Case n point....I could have predicted the self-detrimental response however I thought why not give you the opportunity to incriminate yourself.

Well done sir, well done.

 

Disingenuous nonsense. If you watched the fight you'd know that what u just said is utter horse **** in the main.. Pedrazas connect rate was paltry & the only time he really had success was the 10th when Loma switched off & we all saw Lomas reaction to that a round later. JP won two round's at the most. It wasn't close & Pedraza never came close to turning the tide for any significant period. If believing otherwise helps u sleep, all power to ya..

All this fight was for me in some ways was just another Marriaga fight. He in truth just looked bored & uninterested at times.. The 'level's' differential between the two was patently obvious. It's just some idiot's can't really see what's actually going on.. It's almost like the animators of south park critiquing a Monet painting!

'Momentum switch'

 

Nothing disingenuous about my post, as a matter of fact I’m being completely genuine with my breakdown of the fight. The results of a boxing match don’t impact my sleep patterns so you can scratch that off your list. You’ve conditioned yourself to believe that Loma’s lack of pure unadulterated dominance was due to his disinterest and completely dismiss the possibility that a savvy vet with good skills can hang with the likes of your Demi-god. Loma is undoubtably a unique specimen and he’s a cut above or several cuts above José, still it dosent mean Jose wasn’t a menace.

I’ve given my reasons and they come from years of seasoning into my porous cast-iron brain (no pun intended). I’ll admit it is quite disappointing that some folks on here choose to throw around insults instead of debating intellectually however I find there’s a distinct and well documented history behind those type of posters. You’ll likely find they are either new, have several different aliases, alts or are simply shipped away.

Trust me I don’t find your cognitive bias or your post-purchase rationale to be troubling, it’s very normal. Plenty of sports fans suffer from naive realism and yes we have a tendency to be drawn to details that verify our existing beliefs. Maybe my perspective is to far fetched for you to accept as plausible but it dosent make it any less real.

If every man just decided to conform and choose to suppress his/her true thoughts because of fear of the backlash from the masses we’d still be stuck in the dark ages. I’ve been in that ring and I’ve seen fights unfold and fighters react and do things that seem completely illogical at first but make perfect sense when you study the trends of dozens upon dozens of similar scenarios. Call me what you like it dosent change the reality of what I witnessed.

Peace my brother

 

lmfao are people even trying to argue the fight was even remotely close? WTF? Lomachenko just stood in front of Pedraza, ummming and arrring trying to decide whether to take him out or not. He looked like he wanted rounds to be honest.

 

Shame about his shoulder. What if he's never the same again? What if this is the best he can do?

 

then stay far away from mikey...till youre at least 33 and can blame a loss on anything and be believable.

 

I believe you’re make a bold overestimation of Loma’s prowess from a punching power perspective. I also find it intresting you have to reassure yourself of what you’ve already stated to be 100% true. Even with everything pointing otherwise you think Loma just “chose” to turn in on in the 11th it had nothing to do with the coupling effect of a open window of offensive opportunity and frustration with his inconsistent effectiveness. How convenient....

I also love how the blind support can effortlessly ignore my high praise for Loma and his ability to show us his definition of manifest destiny. You predictably hone in on the constructive criticism as if you’re insecure about what you witnessed and what you’ve convinced yourself to be Loma trying out his shoulder and just putting in rounds.

 

Who should Lomachenko be fighting?

 

Loma did well. Pedraza is no bum. Most people actually pick Beltran to beat him and he got a clear win.
The most you can give pedraza is 3 rounds.
5 7 and 10.
I only had him winning 2. As a non ‘puncher’ Loma eagerness to give a show and stop his opponent could be a double edge sword.
I think it’s nitpicking to criticise that kinda performance.

 

Floyd wouldn't fight Loma. Be honest. He ducked every decent opponent in their primes. Based on what I've seen I'd pick Loma over Floyd at 135 and that's saying something.

 

Work out why Floyd skipped 140 when Hatton, Tszyu, Cotto ET Al were in their prime there.

 

Y'all gotta be fair. As the level goes up and the weight class is higher it will get tougher because opponents are bigger and stronger.That's the reality.It will be physically tough.

Everyone expects Loma to dominate all fights he is in is ridiculous. I know he made the Rigo, Walters, Sosa and Marriaga fight look easy but this is 130 and up they can take the punches a bit better. But still Pedraza was questioning himself in the fight as he was getting pummeled around the ring. Looked like he was going to quit as well.

Loma will have a Marquez as he goes up in levels. Question is who will it be? Davis or a Mikey Garcia or Teofimo Lopez. It's just the nature of the beast called baxxing.

 

His amateur pedigree brings him an insane amount of in ring experience versus many styles. He has picked up many of his opponents habits and learnt from it. On top of that, he has managed to translate his style into the pros really well. However pro ranks are still different in the length of bouts, protective gear (until recently), scoring, rules, weight classes and some styles are unique to the pros or vice versa.

In short, I'm saying his insane amount of amateur bouts has given him experience which an 18 year old entering the pro ranks cannot be compared with. It's not exactly the same, but a good ring IQ like Loma's and his father has gotten a ton out of it, and it has benefited him in the pro ranks. He has had to deal with varied punches from every angle, footwork, a wide range of opponents physical assets (speed, power, weight, height) in close to 400 bouts, which is something that translates to the pros. So please, stop with the whole different sport, irrelevancy talk. There are things that do translate, and there things that he also needed to learn the hard way in the pro ranks. On top of that, an 18 YO's body in most cases, cannot be compared to a 26 YO's body.

This is why I feel that you cannot proclaim him as the greatest of all time in the pro's based off of what he has done so far in the pros, combined with his amateur career, in which he is the greatest of all time. It is also the reason thus far, why his career in the pro ranks cannot be compared to other boxers entering the pro ranks.

As of right now he passes the eye test, but he needs some wins against elite opponents, which unfortunately for him, will be tough because he is not surrounded by elite talent, an no, I do not want him to go up in weights any further. I was the same way with many over hyped fighters over the years.

For example Santa Cruz (https://i.imgur.com/656aFx8.jpg) before he stepped up, and now I have nothing but respect for what he has done, and I've also learnt many times over that the eye test does not always translate when two elites clash that have never fought an elite in their previous bouts before stepping in the ring with each other.

As of right now with Loma, I am in the wait and see, so far so good. Is he as great as his more avid fan base is claiming, until I see more then what I've seen so far, I cannot agree with them, but he has time to prove me wrong.