Lomachenko should not move up in weight anymore

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  1. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Loma can still make 130, that's all you need to know.
    He only moved up because other champs wouldn't fight him.
     
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  2. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Y'all act like Pac is tossing offers left and right to Loma. o_O

    All Pac has essentially done is say 'Yes, i'd fight him'... That's not an offer or anything.

    BTW, what Mikey 'would' do to Linares is irrelevant unless he ACTUALLY did it.
     
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  3. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You can claim anything would happen, the fact is that Mikey ducked Linares to fight some bum for a paper title.
    What does the Spence fight have to do with Loma? Other than being evidence that Mikey is so scared of the other champs in his division that he is willing to take the pressure off by fighting two weight classes against an opponent he is expected to lose against. That doesn’t take balls, that’s a calculated move to dodge Loma and keep his hype going. I don’t blame him for it, I think it was a smart move. But it’s also clear what he’s doing, and it’s also clear that Lomachenko has always been willing to fight any other champ in a weight division he is campaigning at. The only fights Loma has ever really been hesitant about is the Rigo fight (because of the size disparity and he knew it wasn’t as meaningful) and the proposed Pac fight (because he knows Pac is past it and it would basically be an exhibition fight, with the hassle of weight to be sorted out). Loma has consistently said and proved that he wants to fight best. Mikey has consistently said he wants to fight the best and then backed out. Mikey didn’t want Gamboa, Lomachenko and Linares when he was in the mix for those fights. Why is that? Do you want to get thrashed by your equals or take a beating against someone you’re expected to lose against? Come on, let’s be real. I expect Garcia to quit against Spence before he takes any real punishment.
     
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  4. BoyBato

    BoyBato Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I personally like to believe 135 is loma's best weight but really he has only 1 fight at the weight against the arguably number 2 guy in the weight. There's no shame in getting kd by the number 2 guy. It's too early to judge loma not being as good at 140 and up. If i have to give a rouh guess 140 will be like how 147 is to pac, a land of giants.
     
  5. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not a Pac fan.
     
  6. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everytime you post you check youre own nuts. Get off Lomas **** and let him fight. What do you mean 'what does Spence have to do with Loma?' Hmmmm.... Hes actually steppi g UP to the plate against a much bigger fighter.
     
  7. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    Yep. Mayweather basically threatened Davis with Loma, for stepping out of line. Now that he’s moved up, they’re all like :dancing::dancer2:
     
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  8. caligula4

    caligula4 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Selectively is just a word. And as other posters have said, all boxers are selectively matched. I know he's now 30, but a world title fight 2 fights in, that he happened to narrowly lose on the cards, winning a world title 3 fights in, beating Rigo after 9 or so fights and being a 3 weight champion already within 11 fights...

    I think you are being petty. How would you have mapped out his 11 fight wonder route?
     
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  9. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I agree, completely, his natural weightclass at this point is 130. He's already "daring to be great" (don't like this phrase but whatever) by fighting above his natural weight. If you compare Loma to top LWs, he's smaller than all of them.

    Linares was visibly bigger, Easter is way bigger, Mikey is bigger, Beltran is bigger. The only guys his size really are Pedraza and Gamboa, but they're not really natural LWs either.

    130 is his ideal weight where he wouldn't get outsized by anyone really unless they're freakish size for the weight.
     
  10. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's taking the punk way out. This is the new move in boxing - jump two weight classes, claim you're a "G", "warrior", "chasing legacy".... and then getting your **** pushed in on fight night. And why? To avoid, at any and all costs, the possibility of losing to a smaller man.

    Saw it with both Khan and Brook. Both had serious damage done to them. Garcia will be beat like a dog in there and will likely have lasting damage done. However, in his mind that's better than having your ears boxed off for 12 rounds by little Lomachenko in front of millions.

    After a savage knockout (Khan) or having multiple facial bones crushed in (Brook) he can then chase other pay days against guys like Loma and if/when embarrassed, "b-b-but im not the same as before Spence, b-b-b-but at least i had the BALLS!"

    Quite the opposite of balls, it's a sick mentality that's becoming common to duck an opponent.
     
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  11. caligula4

    caligula4 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But Loma isn't Khan or Brook and the talent staying at the weight or moving up isn't the same in gulf. Unsure why the immense hatred spews.
     
  12. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You make me sad, there’s not much that can be done to improve IQ.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Mikey Garcia weighing 147.4 lbs for the second day weigh at 9:00am the morning of the fight

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    Mikey stuffing his face with pizza for his pre-fight meal later on that day

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    Fair to say Mikey probably weighed at least 149-150 by the time he climbed in the ring?

    Spence weighed 156lbs in the ring for his last fight against Ocampo and the only other fight night weight of his I'm aware of is the 162 he weighed against Lo Greco but that was at a catchweight of 150. So if we shave those additional 3lbs off and bring that back down to a fight within the welterweight limit Spence would weigh 159 which is a 10lb weight advantage max over Garcia.


    Loma weighed 138 in the ring against Linares and the most he's ever weighed is 139

    At 126

    Loma 129 - Ramirez 135

    Loma 134 - Koasicha 133

    Loma 138 - Rodriguez 132

    Loma 138½ - Russell 138

    Loma 136 - Salido 147

    Loma 132 - Piriyapinyo 137



    At 130

    Loma 137 - Walters 136

    Loma 139 - Sosa 142

    Loma 137 - Martinez 144

    Loma 137 - Rigo ? (he was 130 the morning of the fight in his tracksuit)

    At 135

    Loma 138 - Linares (who was at least 146)



    So let's call it

    Loma 139 vs Garcia 149

    Garcia vs Spence 159

    And this is assuming that Garcia isn't going to bulk up for Spence which he's already said he's going to

    Loma's been coming in roughly the same give or take a pound or two since his 3rd pro fight down at 126

    If Loma wanted to duck Mikey he could've just stayed at 130, a weight he makes with ease and one Mikey isn't making in a million years. Unlike Mikey, Loma never failed to make weight and lost his title on the scales when he was campaigning down at 126 and he didn't have to vacate his world title at 130 due to no longer being able to make the weight. And you won't find any footage of Loma throwing up in a lift because he half killed himself trying to get his body down to a weight class he was way too big for.

    Spence might walk around very heavy but it's not like he's coming into the ring on fight night 20lbs heavier that he weighed in at

    And Garcia is a better fighter than Spence

    Mikey is a four weight world champion so he has dared to be great x 4 and he's going to be doing it again up at 147 against Spence who is a one weight champion who isn't daring to be much at all on his Feather fist World Tour

    Mikey is ranked #7 P4P by The Ring and absolutely deserves his place in the top 10, whereas Spence is ranked #9 and is not deserving of his place in the top 10.

    Mikey has beaten Broner, Lipinets, Salido, Easter, Roman Martinez, Zlaticanin, Juan Manuel Lopez, Juan Carlos Burgos, Jonathan Victor Barros (most if not all of whom can punch and all of whom were former or current world champions)

    Spence has beaten Brook, Algieri (career 140 pounder notorious feather fist was 1-2 in his last 3 fights), Peterson (career 140 pounder feather fist), Bundu (42 y/o notorious feather fist) and only 3 were former or current world champions. Hmmm..

    Mikey four-weight champ and has beaten 10 world champions

    Spence one weight champion and only beat 3

    Mikey beat 5 undefeated fighters

    Easter (world champ)
    Lipinets (world champion)
    Zlaticanin (world champion)
    Matt Remilard
    Other one was a scrub

    Spence beat 2

    Ocampo
    Lartey

    Mikey is 8-0 in world title fights spanning 4 weight divisions

    Spence is 3-0 spanning just one

    So far Spence has only beaten one world class opponent his own size and they were weight drained, coming off a loss, a beating, back down from 160 after bulking up to fight up there (it's hardly a secret that making 147 before bulking up to fight at 160 was torturous for them), and off a serious eye injury and surgery to repair it.

    Mikey has beaten world class fighters his own size and bigger many times and to put it bluntly is a far more proven fighter than Spence is. If Mikey and Spence were the same size Mikey would paddle his ass and if Mikey had a significant weight advantage over him Spence gets starched.

    People are wondering ''what Mikey sees in Spence'' for him to have taken then fight? I think it might have something to do with all ^^^ that lol
     
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  14. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why the heck not?
     
  15. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Im an idiot. I am a big Pac fan, but not like a groupie level like some of his fans or FMJ fans. But ya I really like him as a fighter