Lomachenko

I know Amateur is a very different game to the Pro's, but I think that his 397 Amateur fights more than makes up for the 10-20 tune up and practice fights most Pro's have on their way to becoming a World Champion. As far a resume (hate that word) goes, it wasn't just that Rigo is on there, it is the way he did it. Knowing that blasting him out would get criticism with him being bigger, he toyed with him like a cat with a mouse. Who the heck can toy with Rigo like that, he quit out of confusion, it was a master class.
Linares was on one of his best streaks of form, and was wiped out by Loma. And
And Crolla, well we all know he wasn't up to it, but to keep his belts, he took him, and dealt with him with serious distain, it was a masterclass in how fighters should blow out an opponent who isn't up to it.
Whoever he has fought, he has beaten them in the best way he could (Salido aside).#

he is a joy to watch, the way he sidesteps a fighter moving in, and turns them 90 dgress on, and throws in a couple of uppercuts is unbelievable.

Just enjoy him, and stop nitpicking at the small stuff.

 

I think although there have been fighters stylistically similar, Lomachenko has took it a few steps further. His background is very unique with the dance and gymnastics at an early age acting as a foundation for his footwork, balance and lateral movement. He’s just absolutely fantastic to watch, he’s pure boxing porn.

As well documented as it is, Salido came in a couple of pounds over the limit and apparently was around 147ib on fight night. Salido is savvy and a spoiler so I think we can forgive him that defeat. For that reason, I think Mayweather would have sussed him out after a few rounds and quite possibly have done the same. It’s all hypothetical though. We should sit back and enjoy him.

 

I don't count the Salido fight, that was a joke.

 

It’s not a different sport though is it?

That’s like saying a 5 a side game down the park is a different sport to an 11 a side game on a pitch. They’re both still football.

Amateur boxing is the same sport as professional boxing, they’re both boxing, just different formats. If amateur boxing was a different sport to professional boxing it wouldn’t need the ‘amateur’ and ‘professional’ prefixes. One would
be called boxing and the other would be called punchxing.

 

Different sports mate.

 

People bring up Lomachenkos resume because he destroys fighters reputations when he fights them as he is so much better than them. Russel, Walters, Linares and Rigo were all seen as killers before Loma took them apart and they were never the same fighters afterwards. Linares is better than Castillo at 135 imo and flash knockdown aside Loma was levels above. He is the best I’ve ever seen including Floyd and I hope he gets chance to prove it, it’s rare the top guy is so avoided but he destroys careers and takes souls so it might be the case throughout for Loma until he slows down.

 

They’re scored differently aren't they which makes the fighters approach in how they fight, different. Amateur boxing is a bit like fencing...it’s not scored on factors such as ring generalship, effective aggression and defence but rather clean shots landed. A punch that taps an opponents head is counted just the same as a punch thrown that almost takes their head off and puts them on the canvas. It’s obviously highly skilful and things such as excessive clinching/spoiling is not really accepted...which probably explains the culture shock Loma experienced in his 2nd pro fight. He certainly learned from that and often yanks his hands clear of his opponent before going back to work with the jab.

As you know, great amateurs don’t always make great pro’s but they definitely have more chance of doing so with the fundamentals learned from what is a very different sport.

 

Loma also did a triple uppercut against Rigondeaux. Pac did a triple uppercut against Rios (ribs, midsection, and head).

 

Given that there is no strict definition of what exactly would classify a separate sport, it's a pretty circular discussion. Are Rugby League and Rugby Union different sports? Real Tennis and Lawn Tennis?

Regardless of semantics the point is unchanged - success in one does not automatically extend to the other. To follow your analogy, it wouldn't be relevant to bring up Lionel Messi's goals in headers and volleys if I was arguing that he is a better player than Maradona was.

Any assessment of Loma's abilities as a pro and comparisons with past greats should be based on his performances in the professional ring, not on his amateur fights.

 

You are speaking as if Loma is still an amateur.

He’s done amazing things as a pro.

 

From the Salido fight onwards I have seen and will probably continue to see NOBODY trouble him.

 

Even for the first 4 or 5 rounds before Floyd figures Loma out and wins a close decision.

 

Loma really is a once in a generation fighter ive never seen anybody do the things he can.He's a unique one-off.He Would probably have to go up to welterweight and beat Crawford to silence the loonys and fanboys tho...that's how good he is.

 

5 a side football and amateur boxing it's quite a good comparison. I know lads that are brilliant at 5 a side but are lost on 11 a side. The same as good amateurs not being good professional boxers. It can happen and does happen but if you are good at 1 you should be good at the other. Doesn't always work like that due to different reasons.

 

What a fight that would have been Floyd v lomachenko. I,d take Floyd to win it. But it would be a close one. He was the master of negating whatever style was thrown at him. But loma check I would have caused him problems. Pacman v lomachenko another cracker. Reckon prime PAC would have been him better than Floyd would have tho. PAC was pretty relentless back then could fight at pretty much any pace. think Floyd would have more problems trying to nullify lomalomachenko than he did doing it to pacman tho.

Wanting to see Davis v lomachenko soon tho. Davis a very talented fighter as well. Think loma checko will get to his stamina tho. He likes to get the opponents fighting harder than they want to. Reckon Davis has tools to cause him problems early tho if he's on form.