Lomachenko...

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Loma unified three of those four belts Haney is now walking around with by doing it the hard way winning them individually beating giants way bigger and heavier than him in a division he doesn't belong in and then he lost them all in one fell swoop to a gigantic lightweight who is way bigger and heavier than him who looks like death on the scales and is the hardest puncher in the division. Haney who looks like the living dead on the scales (literally), is rehydrating 20 + pounds, won them all in one fell swoop against a fighter who weighs two divisions less than him.

    How do Teofimo and Haney do trying to unify all the belts individually up in their third weight class at 147? I was going to say against big punching/savage punching giants who outweigh them by 2 or 3 divisions and who have huge reach advantages over them too but Haney wouldn't be giving away anywhere near that amount of weight or reach up at 147.

    In order for Haney to be giving away as much weight as Loma would be to him he would have to be facing someone like GGG or Jermello and that's just going by what he weighs in the ring now. I'm sure when he moves up to 140 and 147 he will weigh a lot more. He weighs 5-7lbs max less now than what most of the top welters weigh and as much as some of the smaller/average sized ones do. And with a 71'' reach he would have to go up way higher than 147.

    Spence weighed 155 against Ocampo which is what Haney rehydrates to on fight night if not more. The other fight night weight of Spence's I'm aware of is 162 and that was a catchweight bout over the limit.
     
  2. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He won't stop any of them. I think he still has to be favored against them all though.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Haney only has 10 KO`s.
     
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  4. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is virtually no chance that Haney stops Lomachenko. In fact, I like the aging Ukrainian to outpoint Haney in a competitive if not overly entertaining affair.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Loma is racking up these crazy stats against prime world champions and top contenders in his third weight class who are way bigger, longer, and heavier than him and are big/huge punching KO artists for that weight class and whilst fighting with one of the most aggressive styles in the sport

    Not against shot featherfists he holds huge weight and big/huge reach advantages over whilst playing is safe in a division he's absolutely massive for and significantly bigger/way bigger than everyone he's fought


    TOTAL CONNECT PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    LOMACHENKO VASILIY
    48.6%
    CRAWFORD TERENCE
    47.6%
    DAVIS GERVONTA
    47.2%
    THURMAN KEITH
    46.3%
    BENAVIDEZ DAVID
    46.2%
    LARA ERISLANDY
    46.1%
    ALVAREZ SAUL
    45.9%
    BERCHELT MIGUEL
    45.6%
    STEVENSON SHAKUR
    45.4%
    JACK BADOU
    44.6%
    INOUE NAOYA
    44.6%
    GOLOVKIN GENNADY
    44.4%
    SPENCE ERROL
    44%
    LUBIN ERICKSON
    43.4%
    PARKER JOSEPH
    43.4%
    WILDER DEONTAY
    43.3%
    USYK OLEKSANDR
    43.2%
    BIVOL DMITRY
    43%
    ANDRADE DEMETRIUS
    43%
    DIRRELL ANTHONY
    42.9%
    LEMIEUX DAVID
    42.9%
    MUNGUIA JAIME
    42.7%
    UGAS YORDENIS
    42.5%
    GONZALEZ ROMAN
    42.3%
    WILLIAMS JULIAN
    42.2%
    CHARLO JERMELL
    42.1%
    FARMER TEVIN
    41.8%
    SANTA-CRUZ LEO
    41.5%
    ORTIZ LUIS
    41.4%
    JAMES JAMAL
    41.2%
    HARRISON TONY
    41.2%
    TAYLOR JOSH
    40.8%
    IOKA KAZUTO
    40.8%
    VARGAS FRANCISCO
    40.6%
    KOWNACKI ADAM
    40.6%
    TANAKA KOSEI
    40.5%
    PASCAL JEAN
    40.3%
    GARCIA DANNY
    40.2%
    GALAHAD KID
    40%
    JACOBS DANIEL
    39.8%
    WHYTE DILLIAN
    39.8%
    ROMAN DANIEL
    39.7%
    CHARLO JERMALL
    39.6%
    HOOKER MAURICE
    39.4%
    ALGIERI CHRIS
    39.3%
    BELTRAN RAYMUNDO
    39.3%
    FURY TYSON
    39.2%
    NAVARRETE EMANUEL
    39%
    NERY LUIS
    39%
    SMITH LIAM
    38.7%
    LOPEZ JOSESITO
    38.5%
    JOSHUA ANTHONY
    38.4%
    RUIZ-JR. ANDY
    38.4%
    ROMAN MICKEY
    38.1%
    ALVAREZ ELEIDER
    38%
    KAMBOSOS GEORGE
    37.9%
    ESTRADA JUAN-FRAN
    37.5%
    DONAIRE NONITO
    37.4%
    HURD JARRETT
    37.4%
    CANO PABLO-CESAR
    37.4%
    RAMOS ABEL
    37.1%
    RAMIREZ GILBERTO
    37.1%
    ANCAJAS JERWIN
    37%
    BETERBIEV ARTUR
    36.9%
    WARRINGTON JOSH
    36.8%
    VALDEZ OSCAR
    36.7%
    CASTANO BRIAN
    36.6%
    ZEPEDA JOSE
    36.3%
    ARREOLA CHRIS
    36.1%
    KOVALEV SERGEY
    36%
    LINARES JORGE
    35.9%
    PULEV KUBRAT
    35.9%
    DEREVYANCHENKO SERGIY
    35.6%
    HELENIUS ROBERT
    35.5%
    VARGAS REY
    35.5%
    HANEY DEVIN
    35.3%
    EASTER ROBERT
    35.3%
    SOR-RUNGVISAI SRISAKET
    35.2%
    RAMIREZ JOSE-CARLOS
    35.2%
    FRAMPTON CARL
    35.1%
    RUSSELL-JR. GARY
    34.7%
    SMITH JOE
    34.4%
    BARRIOS MARIO
    34.4%
    PEDRAZA JOSE
    34.1%
    LIPINETS SERGEY
    33.8%
    CANCIO ANDREW
    33.8%
    ROSADO GABRIEL
    33.7%
    CUADRAS CARLOS
    33.6%
    BARRERA SULLIVAN
    33.6%
    SMITH CALLUM
    33.2%
    GRANADOS ADRIAN
    33%
    MARTINEZ KIKO
    32.7%
    ANGULO ALFREDO
    32.7%
    HART JESSE
    31.8%
    VARGAS JESSIE
    31.6%
    BRANT ROB
    30.7%
    NDAM HASSAN
    29.9%
    BREAZEALE DOMINIC
    29.8%
    GAMBOA YURIORKIS
    29.8%
    TRUAX CALEB
    29.1%

    OPPONENT TOTAL CONNECT PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    ROMAN MICKEY
    33.1%
    BREAZEALE DOMINIC
    32.9%
    GRANADOS ADRIAN
    32.8%
    NDAM HASSAN
    32.1%
    LIPINETS SERGEY
    32%
    PASCAL JEAN
    31.9%
    DEREVYANCHENKO SERGIY
    31.9%
    SMITH CALLUM
    31.8%
    ROSADO GABRIEL
    31.7%
    TRUAX CALEB
    31.4%
    VARGAS JESSIE
    31.2%
    ANGULO ALFREDO
    31.2%
    RAMOS ABEL
    30.9%
    WILDER DEONTAY
    30.7%
    CANCIO ANDREW
    29.4%
    ANCAJAS JERWIN
    29.3%
    HURD JARRETT
    29.2%
    VARGAS FRANCISCO
    29.1%
    DIRRELL ANTHONY
    28.7%
    HOOKER MAURICE
    28.6%
    LEMIEUX DAVID
    28.3%
    WHYTE DILLIAN
    28.3%
    KOWNACKI ADAM
    28.2%
    MARTINEZ KIKO
    27.9%
    KOVALEV SERGEY
    27.9%
    ALGIERI CHRIS
    27.7%
    SOR-RUNGVISAI SRISAKET
    27.5%
    FURY TYSON
    27.5%
    RAMIREZ JOSE-CARLOS
    27.1%
    BERCHELT MIGUEL
    26.8%
    GOLOVKIN GENNADY
    26.8%
    JAMES JAMAL
    26.7%
    SMITH JOE
    26.7%
    VARGAS REY
    26.6%
    CUADRAS CARLOS
    26.5%
    BELTRAN RAYMUNDO
    26.2%
    CANO PABLO-CESAR
    25.9%
    HELENIUS ROBERT
    25.7%
    PARKER JOSEPH
    25.4%
    PULEV KUBRAT
    25.3%
    ARREOLA CHRIS
    25.3%
    DONAIRE NONITO
    25.2%
    LOPEZ JOSESITO
    25%
    THURMAN KEITH
    24.9%
    JACK BADOU
    24.7%
    MUNGUIA JAIME
    24.7%
    LUBIN ERICKSON
    24.7%
    BARRIOS MARIO
    24.7%
    GONZALEZ ROMAN
    24.5%
    JOSHUA ANTHONY
    24.3%
    BARRERA SULLIVAN
    24.3%
    BRANT ROB
    24.3%
    ZEPEDA JOSE
    24.2%
    PEDRAZA JOSE
    24.1%
    CHARLO JERMELL
    23.9%
    NAVARRETE EMANUEL
    23.8%
    ALVAREZ ELEIDER
    23.8%
    FARMER TEVIN
    23.7%
    HART JESSE
    23.6%
    RUSSELL-JR. GARY
    23.5%
    CHARLO JERMALL
    23.5%
    WARRINGTON JOSH
    23.5%
    WILLIAMS JULIAN
    23.5%
    ALVAREZ SAUL
    23.3%
    FRAMPTON CARL
    23.1%
    USYK OLEKSANDR
    23.1%
    LINARES JORGE
    22.9%
    SANTA-CRUZ LEO
    22.9%
    ROMAN DANIEL
    22.8%
    UGAS YORDENIS
    22.8%
    TANAKA KOSEI
    22.8%
    GAMBOA YURIORKIS
    22.6%
    TAYLOR JOSH
    22.6%
    JACOBS DANIEL
    22.4%
    GARCIA DANNY
    22.4%
    KAMBOSOS GEORGE
    22.2%
    EASTER ROBERT
    22.1%
    CASTANO BRIAN
    22%
    ORTIZ LUIS
    21.9%
    SMITH LIAM
    21.8%
    BENAVIDEZ DAVID
    21.7%
    DAVIS GERVONTA
    21.6%
    RAMIREZ GILBERTO
    21.2%
    BETERBIEV ARTUR
    21.1%
    INOUE NAOYA
    21.1%
    CRAWFORD TERENCE
    21.1%
    HARRISON TONY
    21%
    RUIZ-JR. ANDY
    20.3%
    SPENCE ERROL
    20.2%
    ESTRADA JUAN-FRAN
    20.2%
    IOKA KAZUTO
    19.7%
    NERY LUIS
    19.5%
    GALAHAD KID
    19.5%
    HANEY DEVIN
    19.1%
    VALDEZ OSCAR
    18.8%
    ANDRADE DEMETRIUS
    18.3%
    LARA ERISLANDY
    18.3%
    LOMACHENKO VASILIY
    17.5%
    STEVENSON SHAKUR
    13.9%
    BIVOL DMITRY
    13.1%


    OPPONENT POWER PUNCH CONNECT PERCENTAGE HIGHEST
    PERCENTAGE

    TRUAX CALEB
    43.5%
    DEREVYANCHENKO SERGIY
    40.7%
    VARGAS JESSIE
    40.1%
    SMITH CALLUM
    39.8%
    RAMOS ABEL
    39.4%
    PASCAL JEAN
    39.3%
    LIPINETS SERGEY
    39.3%
    NDAM HASSAN
    39.3%
    ANGULO ALFREDO
    39.3%
    ROMAN MICKEY
    39.2%
    GRANADOS ADRIAN
    38.8%
    MARTINEZ KIKO
    38.3%
    WHYTE DILLIAN
    38.1%
    ANCAJAS JERWIN
    37.7%
    LOPEZ JOSESITO
    37.3%
    WILDER DEONTAY
    37.2%
    BREAZEALE DOMINIC
    37.2%
    ROSADO GABRIEL
    36.9%
    LUBIN ERICKSON
    36.5%
    HOOKER MAURICE
    36.1%
    ALGIERI CHRIS
    35.7%
    CANO PABLO-CESAR
    35.7%
    GOLOVKIN GENNADY
    35.4%
    VARGAS FRANCISCO
    35.4%
    ARREOLA CHRIS
    35.4%
    SMITH JOE
    35%
    BRANT ROB
    34.8%
    CANCIO ANDREW
    34.7%
    KOVALEV SERGEY
    34.6%
    SOR-RUNGVISAI SRISAKET
    34.6%
    HURD JARRETT
    34.5%
    LEMIEUX DAVID
    34.4%
    JACK BADOU
    34%
    BERCHELT MIGUEL
    34%
    FURY TYSON
    33.3%
    JAMES JAMAL
    33.2%
    DIRRELL ANTHONY
    33.2%
    CASTANO BRIAN
    33%
    PARKER JOSEPH
    33%
    BELTRAN RAYMUNDO
    32.9%
    ALVAREZ ELEIDER
    32.8%
    SMITH LIAM
    32.7%
    VARGAS REY
    32.6%
    ZEPEDA JOSE
    32.5%
    ROMAN DANIEL
    32.5%
    HELENIUS ROBERT
    32.2%
    WARRINGTON JOSH
    32.2%
    CUADRAS CARLOS
    31.8%
    DONAIRE NONITO
    31.8%
    CHARLO JERMELL
    31.7%
    JACOBS DANIEL
    31.6%
    HARRISON TONY
    31.6%
    ORTIZ LUIS
    31.3%
    KOWNACKI ADAM
    31.3%
    JOSHUA ANTHONY
    31.2%
    CHARLO JERMALL
    31.1%
    BETERBIEV ARTUR
    31.1%
    BARRIOS MARIO
    31%
    GONZALEZ ROMAN
    30.8%
    RUIZ-JR. ANDY
    30.7%
    BARRERA SULLIVAN
    30.6%
    INOUE NAOYA
    30.6%
    PULEV KUBRAT
    30.6%
    UGAS YORDENIS
    30.6%
    TAYLOR JOSH
    30.6%
    KAMBOSOS GEORGE
    30.5%
    WILLIAMS JULIAN
    30.3%
    THURMAN KEITH
    30.3%
    SANTA-CRUZ LEO
    30.1%
    USYK OLEKSANDR
    29.7%
    MUNGUIA JAIME
    29.7%
    FRAMPTON CARL
    29.5%
    SPENCE ERROL
    29.4%
    ALVAREZ SAUL
    29%
    RUSSELL-JR. GARY
    28.9%
    NAVARRETE EMANUEL
    28.8%
    LINARES JORGE
    28.6%
    TANAKA KOSEI
    28.5%
    RAMIREZ JOSE-CARLOS
    28.4%
    PEDRAZA JOSE
    27.8%
    ESTRADA JUAN-FRAN
    27.3%
    GARCIA DANNY
    27.1%
    NERY LUIS
    27.1%
    RAMIREZ GILBERTO
    27%
    EASTER ROBERT
    26.9%
    GAMBOA YURIORKIS
    26.9%
    DAVIS GERVONTA
    26.8%
    BENAVIDEZ DAVID
    26.7%
    FARMER TEVIN
    26.4%
    IOKA KAZUTO
    26.4%
    CRAWFORD TERENCE
    26.4%
    HART JESSE
    25.8%
    GALAHAD KID
    25.3%
    LOMACHENKO VASILIY
    24.6%
    HANEY DEVIN
    23.9%
    ANDRADE DEMETRIUS
    23.6%
    LARA ERISLANDY
    23.3%
    VALDEZ OSCAR
    23.3%
    BIVOL DMITRY
    23.2%
    STEVENSON SHAKUR


    OPPONENT POWER PUNCH CONNECT PERCENTAGE LOWEST
    PERCENTAGE

    STEVENSON SHAKUR
    18.3%
    BIVOL DMITRY
    23.2%
    VALDEZ OSCAR
    23.3%
    LARA ERISLANDY
    23.3%
    ANDRADE DEMETRIUS
    23.6%
    HANEY DEVIN
    23.9%
    LOMACHENKO VASILIY
    24.6%
    GALAHAD KID
    25.3%
    HART JESSE
    25.8%
    FARMER TEVIN
    26.4%
    IOKA KAZUTO
    26.4%
    CRAWFORD TERENCE
    26.4%
    BENAVIDEZ DAVID
    26.7%
    DAVIS GERVONTA
    26.8%
    GAMBOA YURIORKIS
    26.9%
    EASTER ROBERT
    26.9%
    RAMIREZ GILBERTO
    27%
    NERY LUIS
    27.1%
    GARCIA DANNY
    27.1%
    ESTRADA JUAN-FRAN
    27.3%
    PEDRAZA JOSE
    27.8%
    RAMIREZ JOSE-CARLOS
    28.4%
    TANAKA KOSEI
    28.5%
    LINARES JORGE
    28.6%
    NAVARRETE EMANUEL
    28.8%
    RUSSELL-JR. GARY
    28.9%
    ALVAREZ SAUL
    29%
    SPENCE ERROL
    29.4%
    FRAMPTON CARL
    29.5%
    MUNGUIA JAIME
    29.7%
    USYK OLEKSANDR
    29.7%
    SANTA-CRUZ LEO
    30.1%
    THURMAN KEITH
    30.3%
    WILLIAMS JULIAN
    30.3%
    KAMBOSOS GEORGE
    30.5%
    INOUE NAOYA
    30.6%
    BARRERA SULLIVAN
    30.6%
    TAYLOR JOSH
    30.6%
    PULEV KUBRAT
    30.6%
    UGAS YORDENIS
    30.6%
    RUIZ-JR. ANDY
    30.7%
    GONZALEZ ROMAN
    30.8%
    BARRIOS MARIO
    31%
    BETERBIEV ARTUR
    31.1%
    CHARLO JERMALL
    31.1%
    JOSHUA ANTHONY
    31.2%
    ORTIZ LUIS
    31.3%
    KOWNACKI ADAM
    31.3%
    HARRISON TONY
    31.6%
    JACOBS DANIEL
    31.6%
    CHARLO JERMELL
    31.7%
    DONAIRE NONITO
    31.8%
    CUADRAS CARLOS
    31.8%
    WARRINGTON JOSH
    32.2%
    HELENIUS ROBERT
    32.2%
    ROMAN DANIEL
    32.5%
    ZEPEDA JOSE
    32.5%
    VARGAS REY
    32.6%
    SMITH LIAM
    32.7%
    ALVAREZ ELEIDER
    32.8%
    BELTRAN RAYMUNDO
    32.9%
    CASTANO BRIAN
    33%
    PARKER JOSEPH
    33%
    DIRRELL ANTHONY
    33.2%
    JAMES JAMAL
    33.2%
    FURY TYSON
    33.3%
    BERCHELT MIGUEL
    34%
    JACK BADOU
    34%
    LEMIEUX DAVID
    34.4%
    HURD JARRETT
    34.5%
    KOVALEV SERGEY
    34.6%
    SOR-RUNGVISAI SRISAKET
    34.6%
    CANCIO ANDREW
    34.7%
    BRANT ROB
    34.8%
    SMITH JOE
    35%
    ARREOLA CHRIS
    35.4%
    VARGAS FRANCISCO
    35.4%
    GOLOVKIN GENNADY
    35.4%
    CANO PABLO-CESAR
    35.7%
    ALGIERI CHRIS
    35.7%
    HOOKER MAURICE
    36.1%
    LUBIN ERICKSON
    36.5%
    ROSADO GABRIEL
    36.9%
    WILDER DEONTAY
    37.2%
    BREAZEALE DOMINIC
    37.2%
    LOPEZ JOSESITO
    37.3%
    ANCAJAS JERWIN
    37.7%
    WHYTE DILLIAN
    38.1%
    MARTINEZ KIKO
    38.3%
    GRANADOS ADRIAN
    38.8%
    ROMAN MICKEY
    39.2%
    ANGULO ALFREDO
    39.3%
    NDAM HASSAN
    39.3%
    LIPINETS SERGEY
    39.3%
    PASCAL JEAN
    39.3%
    RAMOS ABEL
    39.4%
    SMITH CALLUM
    39.8%
    VARGAS JESSIE
    40.1%
    DEREVYANCHENKO SERGIY
    40.7%
    TRUAX CALEB
    43.5%
     
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  7. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    Linares floored him, he got back up and bullied Linares before stopping him.
    Haney got hurt, ran and held so he could get his hand raised for the decision.
    You want to compare Haney and Lomachenko via Linares, and your conclusion is that Haney is the more powerful fighter? You are completely off your head. Haney can’t stop anyone yet he’s going to stop a defensive master who has fought far heavier punchers, bigger guys who haven’t been able to get anywhere near stopping him? Haney can’t hurt anyone, and you think he’s hurting Lomachenko?
    This is so blatantly ridiculous I shouldn’t even respond to you.

    Think before you type, nobody can read that and still take you seriously. Haney himself would never believe that he could stop Lomachenko. He might be as delusional as some fans and believe that he can win the fight with his jab, but Haney’s momma and daddy wouldn’t believe for a second that their boy could hurt Lomachenko. You are off the planet.
     
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  8. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    We may get to find out.
     
  9. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I notice no mention of Teo …
     
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  10. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lopez has left 135 lbs.
     
  11. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

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    When he made a come-back after his loss, the first thing Loma improved is his durability. We can see that Loma is now more bulky and has more muscles in his upper body. He deliberately chose opponents like Nakatani then Commey in order to prepare himself for a return of his clash against Teofimo Lopez. Nakatani troubled Lopez and Commey is an underrated and dangerous ex-lightweight champion, but he stopped the first and dominated the latter. Loma no longer can be intimidated with sheer brute force of weight bully.

    If only Lopez got his life straight, he wouldn't have been defeated by Kambosos. In my opinion, Lopez is a higher level boxer than the Australian. And if that happened, it was Lopez that Haney would face in the first place. So, in my honest and humbly opinion, Haney is really fortunate.

    So I don't see Loma would be losing to someone like Haney. The difference of their classes is too wide and Haney's punch is soft compare to Lopez.
     
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  12. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he has also left a blemish on Loma’s record not felt since the great Orlando “Siri” Salido.
     
  13. Easyrhino

    Easyrhino Member Full Member

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    Concur!
     
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  14. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why ask dumb questions? It is obvious why a rematch will not happen. Twats like you should keep their thoughts to themselves.
     
  15. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not a thought , Loma losing to Teo is an actual fact.
    Never said anything about a rematch.

    I’m merely implying we the fans should let all of the fights play out
    Before crowning a paper or email champion in any weight class.

    Facts over feelings always.