Lomachenko's career management has been trash

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    First he should have turned pro after the 2008 Olympics. He won the gold medal, but instead of going pro he waited another 4 years and won another gold in 2012. There was no point in doing that. He already won the gold medal before. Instead he just wasted 4 years of his life where he should have built up a reputation and record in the pro ranks in the United States.

    His delay caused him to be rushed. He didn't know how to handle Salido's dirty tactics in the pro ranks. If he had been pro for 4 years before that he probably makes Salido look silly. But being in his 2nd fight he was still figuring out the pro game.

    He hurt his drawing power by going pro late. He'll never be a big financial star which will hurt his ability to get the bigger legacy fights. We already saw this with Guillermo Rigondeaux. Who ducked Lomachenko.

    Lomachenko is already 28 years old. Which is not old for a pro boxer especially one without being in any wars. But Loma has a young man's style. He relies primarily on speed and reflexes. Which are the first to go. Speed guys decline before workrate fighters who likewise decline before strength/skill fighters. We see top fighters like Ward, Kovalev and GGG at the very top of their games deep into their 30's. But that's a function of their style. They have an old man's game based on strength, power and technique. None of them are reliant on frantic movements, reflexes or speed like Lomachenko is.

    I fear Lomachenko has wasted half his prime fighting just 7 pro fights with no real defining fight legacy wise either. And I don't see one on the horizon because he's too small to fight Terrence Crawford.

    He also picked the wrong era to fight in. 10-15 years ago the Featherweight division was on complete fire. And now it's not the same.
     
  2. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    well...I have to agree that going for another gold was a waste of time

    but it think hes doing ok now considering the setback it was
     
  3. billo_billy

    billo_billy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If we are talking about his management in the pro ranks, then it has been spot on in my opinion
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He should have never waited for Rigo. He never wanted the fight. And would never take it.

    He should not have fought a dirty/savvy Salido in his 2nd fight.

    He should not have turned pro so late because he has a young man's style.
     
  5. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Lomachenko wanted to chase greatness in the unpaid ranks, can't fault him for that. He is the greatest amateur in history.
    The pro ranks are just for cashing out. Lomachenko however wants to fight the best and go down as the best ever.

    For a man like Lomachenko, Salido in his 2nd pro fight was the perfect education for him, as there's nothing else Lomachenko could possibly learn about boxing.
    Someone like a Roman Martinez or even the current lineal champion Russell Jr is no where near his level, so there's literally no one else that presents a challenge other than the elite in the sport.
     
  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I disagree 100% that going for a second gold was a waste of time. There were pro advantages this gave him beyond the pride of winning two Olympic golds.

    That's why he was able to get big fights from the beginning, which was entirely his desire. Double gold is what got that kind of backing, from a U.S. promoter and network no less. That doesn't happen for prospects from that region, who usually don't get backing from promoters or networks here until much later in their careers, if at all.
     
  7. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not everyone is interested in being a big PPV star. Yes, it is nice, and I doubt many would turn down the offer of big money. However, despite what the cynics say, not every boxers primary goal is money.

    I don't know Loma personally, but I would hazard a guess that him staying amateur and going for a second Olympic gold was a personal decision and not a management one.

    As for his pro career, well his legacy is being written as we speak (or type). He is doing things no one has done before. As for defining fights, they will come. He had two potential ones, against Rigo, and to a lesser extent, Walters, but they chose to run. You can't blame Loma for that.

    If Loma had turned pro after his first Olympic gold then he would have spent those four years fighting the type of fighters prospects fight before they challenge for a world title. Instead, he became an amateur legend by winning another gold and extending his excellent record, and becoming so good he could hit the ground running in the pros at world level.

    As for your last point, im sorry, but I don't know how you can blame Loma for that. You can't choose when you are born.
     
  8. Mexi-Box

    Mexi-Box Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He's been handedl very, very well as a professional. I only wish Derevyanchenko, Usyk, and Beterbiev were handled just as well.
     
  9. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  10. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wasted brain cells reading that. **** you.
     
  11. bcr

    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Everything isn't about money you know?, Loma went to two olympics because he wanted to leave a mark in amateur boxing, he did, in ukraine been an amateur is actually really comfortable when you talk about money, usyk went to two olympics too, and it's because it's a country with a great amateur program.
    He said that he wanted to make a legacy more than money and when you compare him with other 2012 olympic boxers, he has advanced more than most of them; only Rau'Shee, Joshua and Loma are champions, and with wins against low quality fighters, he also has fights against people like Salido, Russell and Martinez.
     
  12. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Taking on Salido in the second fight alone was an asinine move. Salido is undeniably a skilled tough veteran. He didn't start cheating in the Loma fight either. Everybody knew what Salido was up to. They still managed to look surprised.
     
  13. LaidOut

    LaidOut Whaaaaat? Full Member

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    This. I'm a big Loma fan, but I'm tired of hearing how his career has been spot on; it hasn't been. First, he shouldn't have fought Salido that early on. Two, by taking the Salido fight, Team Loma should have done lots more homework on him, as the loss damn sure could have been avoided with some proper planning.
     
  14. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Or maybe boxers could stop being terrified to loose their zero to make great fights instead of record padding and then cash out.
     
  15. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Ya i don't think loma has been mismanaged because he is a head strong guy and he has done exactly what he wanted to do and that win 2 Olympic medals and win a title in record time.

    Fans are so used to padded records and nonsense that when a guy comes along who i cant even call a throwback because no one has done what loma has done they think he is being mismanaged and making bad decisions

    Fact is loma isn't that concerned with money at all, he is concerned with achieving greatness