Lomachenko's Legacy

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  1. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Well, he did. He proved his talent and worth by winning above mentioned medals and then some. But unfortunately for him, no sanctioning body would grant him a title shot in his first fight. So he beat a top ranked WBO contender(not that I agree with the ranking) and challenged Salido. So he paid his dues and and got a ranking by beating a ranked guy.
    Despite the loss, Loma clearly proved he belong at the championship level. He then went on to win his next 13 fights, all of which were title fights. Loma is 14-3 in title fights, meaning 17 of his 21 fights have been title fights.

    Since you wanted to play the numbers game, I would like to present to you the Ring Magazine P4P top 10:
    Inoue: 22 title fights
    Crawford: 19
    Usyk: 10
    Canelo: 22
    Beterbiev: 9
    Beterbiev: 11
    Spence: 8
    Davis: 12, with the regular BS titles. Without it would arguably 4.
    Rodriguez: 5
    Nakatani 6

    Just from a numbers perspective, it´s clear that Loma has earned his title shots since the Teofimo loss. Especially when considering that Loma was and still is widely accepted as one of the top lightweight contenders. He is one of the best in the world and deserves the opportunity to prove it. Unless you don´t want to see the best facing off vs the best.
     
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  2. steviebruno

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    He chose the right promoter and that's all there is to it. No other fighter in history has been able to bypass all the other ranked contenders and get multiple title shots. He didn't pay his dues in the pro game.

    He is one of the best in the world, but that has nothing to do with how his career started. He's had ample opportunity to prove himself, and he could probably sign a fight with Shakur right now if he wanted to.

    Where are you getting that I don't want to see him fight the best? You seem somewhat defensive when it comes to Loma and I don't really know why that is.
     
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  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    :lol: And I would like to bring up Kiko Martinez again.

    Inoue got his first title shot in his 6th fight. He had not beaten any world ranked contenders.
    Saul Alvarez was literally handed the vacant WBC 154lb belt. He signed a fight with Hatton at 150, and then WBC said: "hey, have this belt!" Hatton had never fought above 147 :lol:
    Shakur Stevenson has fought for 3 vacant belts. Emanuel Navarrete is fighting for his 3rd vacant belt.

    I just find it laughable that you called Loma THE most privileged boxer in history. It´s just ridiculous.
    Yes, he got a title shot early into his career without proving himself as a pro, but since then he has earned all of his opportunities.
     
  4. steviebruno

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    There is a reason your Kiko Martinez analogy is being ignored. I will let you figure out why that is.

    Did Inoue lose his title fight and get another immediate opportunity?
     
  5. Lesion of Doom

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    Great fighter who could not quite meet expectations, which to be fair were too high for what he is
     
  6. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    No, explain to me how Kiko wasn´t privileged. If it´s so simple then you should have no issues laying out why.

    And before this gets derailed, I have no issue with Loma being called privileged by how his career started. But to say that the rest of his career is undeserved is just ridiculous. And calling him the most privileged boxer of all time is just ignorance.
     
  7. Geo1122

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    One of only a few fighters to setup camp in a weight division where he really is a lot smaller than the other guys, and still be seen as the best/one of the best in that division. Couple that with the fact that he also fought, and continues to fight the young guns of that division, despite being well into his 30’s. Sadly I think it’s this very hunger that brings out his detractors, as he lost to Teo (fairly) and Haney (unfairly).

    It’s a strange one, because despite what he has achieved, if he doesn’t become undisputed, it will be seen as a real negative on his career, given his talent.

    In summary a modern day great that could have achieved more.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    Pete Rademacher disagrees with you.
     
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  9. vargasfan1985

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    His legacy isn’t done yet

    He said he may fight another 1-3 years

    If true, no more of this 1 fight a year nonsense, 2 fights a year, minimum
     
  10. steviebruno

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    Did Pete ever fight for the title again, let alone in his very next fight?
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    He fought for the undisputed championship, in his first fight.

    It took Lomachenko 19 fights to fight for his first undisputed championship against Haney.
     
  12. ellerbe

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    If Loma was the most privileged they wouldn’t have put him in with Salido or GRJ to win his first belt lol. He would have picked off a bum like Roman Martinez.
     
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  13. steviebruno

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    Were there any other titles to fight for back then?
     
  14. Serge

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    Loma is the amateur GOAT and was the most sought after amateur in the world. The stipulation in his contract was not that he received a huge signing on bonus so he could spunk it on bling and fleets of cars like many of others from across the pond do. The stipulation in his contract was for him to be able to fight for a title in his first fight because, again unlike many of others from across the pond, he's actually a legacy fighter and dares to be great.

    The reason he received a second title shot, against a 24-0 GRJ in the US with a home ref and three home judges for GRJ (you know how they do) one of whom robbed him -and that was an incredibly ballsy move by Loma because had he lost he would've been 1-2 and his career in tatters - is because his opponent in his first title shot deliberately missed weight in order to come in with a huge weight advantage

    Fouled him like crazy all night to an absolutely insane degree which he should've categorically been DQ'd for

    Was allowed to do so by the most corrupt ref in the game who also saved Salido from a possible stoppage loss late in the fight

    And was robbed blind of making history by becoming the quickest fighter to win a world title over in Corruption Central where robberies and bad decisions are as commonplace as drinking beer in bars is.

    He wouldn't have received another shot if their corrupt judges and refs could play fair over there FFS but we all know that so often they can't and don't :facepalm:

    He fought for one world title, the least prestigious one, not the unified or undisputed championship. Privilege come with winning Olympic gold, let alone two at different weights and being the amateur GOAT.

    Why did seven fight novice Leon Spinks receive a shot at the greatest prize in sports, the unified HW championship of the world, and against the HW GOAT Ali?

    And if you want to talk about ''privilege'' there's nothing more privileged than the gigantic privilege American fighters have so goddam often of fighting on a heavily stacked deck of a home ref and three home judges for world title fights against foreigners in the US

    Which FTR only happens in the US and never in any other country in the world for world title fights between a home and away fighter. Hence why they keep robbing foreigners all the time over in the US.

    Very telling how those who complain about one fighter having been afforded ''privilege'' in just one or two fights conveniently ignore the gigantic privilege their boys have been afforded for a very long time and do so often now that it's practically the norm.

    We need to establish why we've never heard so much as a goddamn peep out a single one of them regarding their boys routinely being afforded by far the biggest privilege in sports.

    We don't ever see Manchester United having home ref and home linesmen for home games against other teams or any other team in football (soccer) or any other sport or being afforded the privilege of getting to play at home way way way more than any other teams :facepalm:

    This is a very common and regular occurrence in the US and has been for a very long time, not just one or two fights like we're talking about with Loma who FTR has been screwed over or been on the wrong end of egregious scorecards many times by their thieving corrupt judges

    Hell, we don't even have a home ref and three home judges for European title fights over in Europe.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    No, so he surpassed every single pro athlete to get a shot at the undisputed champion in his very first fight.

    Loma didn't face an undisputed champion until his 19th fight.
     
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