Lomachenko's Skills Are Extraordinary, But His Boxing Fundamentals Are Just Good.

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  1. There Will Be Blood

    There Will Be Blood #TheMedicalTeam #750 banned Full Member

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    The guy is brilliant in the ring, but it's 90% due to his insane athletic ability and A+ speed. Lomachenko's bread and butter signature move (like Pac) is to spin to the opponent's right side and attack from a position where the guy can't counter as effectively. This is not a fundamental boxing technique and very few in the sport can execute it. Lomachenko's jab is good, but he uses it as more of a range finder and distraction rather than a fundamental boxing tool (like say Mikey Garcia's jab, which is employed to keep you at bay AND hurt you).

    This is not a knock on Lomachenko. You take advantage of what you are blessed with. Mikey, Floyd, Rigo, Ward, and JMM are fundamentally strong boxers and their success is not contingent upon athleticism like Lomachenko. Lomachenko appears to be invincible at the moment, but if he loses his athleticism, he won't be an elite operator and his veil of invincibility drops off. This is why many people say that Pac isn't a good boxer.

    Think Pac and RJJ.
     
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  2. Liquid Fire

    Liquid Fire Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Reflexes start declining about early 30s. He has about 4/5 years of physical prime left IMO.. His boxing brain will keep him at a high level long after too should he continue. All good..
     
  3. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's smart enough to adapt once the physical gifts decline, but I agree that he uses those gifts now to get away with moves other boxers can't/shouldn't. Another example is the fluid shifting he'll do while still in the opponent's range. That's usually a recipe to get knocked down because balance is compromised.

    Ali and Roy were two others who were able to get very right results even when they fought "wrong" fundamentally. He's got such defensive skill that I don't think he'll drop off a cliff like Roy did, but we'll probably see a more methodical offense when the time comes.
     
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  4. groot

    groot Active Member banned Full Member

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    The minute he fights someone good hes gonna get ktfo chump only had ten fights against other chumps.
     
  5. There Will Be Blood

    There Will Be Blood #TheMedicalTeam #750 banned Full Member

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    Excellent post. I just think it's an inaccurate thing to say when people say Lomachenko is a pure boxer and that he is technically perfect (he isn't).
     
  6. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i've seen a lot of your comments on threads and are you sure you should be on the internet? someone of your mental disposition should be kept away from public forums
     
  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's not that gifted athletically. It's pure skill.

    Anyone who's been in the ring knows how hard it is to pull off what he does and it's not based on atheltecism. Pac is atheletically very gifted, so is RJJ, floyd mixes the 2. Loma isn't flashy, doesn't have very heavy hands, his speed doesn't remind me of any fast twitch fighters - he's just got a great gauge on distance, movement and the subtlety of it and reflexes (which is acquired from repetition).

    Whereas someone like Pac or rjj will jump from a to b using his athleticism to get out of punches, loma will slip slightly, set his feet position correctly so that he's in a perfect position to counter whilst still seeing incoming punches.
     
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  8. groot

    groot Active Member banned Full Member

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    Your right i should be having sex with your mother please tell a admin so they can ban me
     
  9. ThatsRight11

    ThatsRight11 Active Member Full Member

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    then you haven't seen guys like mirko, liquidfire BCS to name a few
     
  10. groot

    groot Active Member banned Full Member

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    You corgot to mention his moms the town hoe
     
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  11. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i've seen some of Mirko's comments but to my knowledge they don't come close to this. i don't think they're a troll, i think they're genuinely ill, so i'm just gonna give him/her a wide berth from now on
     
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  12. ThatsRight11

    ThatsRight11 Active Member Full Member

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    well then you haven't seen enough then, this guy is mild compared to the troll mirko is, one of the worst you'll ever find
     
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  13. There Will Be Blood

    There Will Be Blood #TheMedicalTeam #750 banned Full Member

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    What? Lomachenko is insanely athletically gifted (see his in ring back flips). And Loma is extremely flashy --- he's a visual delight, hence all the Matrix references to him. To say that he doesn't have fast twitch reflexes is also crazy.
     
  14. tinman

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    Given his weight class and his style I'd say Loma has 1-3 years left of being in physical prime. Guys who rely on lateral movement can hold off the physical erosion until about 30 or 31 at the latest.

    24-29 is the time when most guys who use Loma's style make their mark. He's had a little late start given his style. A guy like Kovalev or Marquez a pure classic boxer-puncher have A LOT more time to stay at their best.
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Besides relying on lateral movement and being a southpaw I see little similarity between Pac and Loma.