Long time Wladimir Fan But..

Sorry? Luis Pabon goes out of his way to stop clinches in Povetkin/Huck - indeed, to break them up without cause or reason - then does sod all to stop clinches in Povetkin/Klitschko and it's somehow a response to how Povetkin fought Huck. Am I missing something?

 

..apparently. He warned Wlad about the pushing/elbows, Povetkin just came in low. When even Huck, who's shorter than Sasha, starts to lean on him, there must be something to it, don't you think?

 

Exactly :good

 

Alll this talk of a povetkin coming in low, but no evidence.

I'm not sure that people understand that to illegally 'come in low' you actually have to have your head ducked BELOW your opponent's waist. Ducking under or inside your opponents punches and coming in crouched down is perfectly legal and is not a justifiable reason your opponent to be able to grab you, pull down and lean on you repeatedly without warning or point deductions.

So, if you could show me some actual evidence of Povetkin coming forward with his head at such a height that his head was actually below Wlad's waist line then I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks

 

-Your not equating a clinch with a low blow, than you do just that for an entire paragraph.

-Look, you don't have a duty to be unbiased, you aren't a reporter. Just pointing out that any debate with you is an utter waste of time for me and will only go in circles...complete with insults you are already freely dishing out, and I just don't have the time for that these days.

-Go find someone else to waste their time on your insults.

 

Wlad has a fan? When did that happen?

 

I'm not saying what Sasha did was a foul, I'm just stating they're both to blame of how the fight turned out. Sasha ducked his head, made a step and wanted to throw the overhand right. He hoped Wlad would step back when he came in, so he could catch him on the way out.
Wlad stepped in whenever Sasha tried this, so they ended up in a clinch. There's only so much you can do about it, though I thought the leaning was too much. Wlad couldn't step back, thats what Sasha wanted him to do. He did halt him with the jab as well, if he'd sidestep everytime, he'd be dizzy by the 3rd round.
Both should have changed their approach, anyway, off to work..

 

And that's pretty much everything that needs to be said on the matter, bravo.

:yep

 

No.

A clinch is a clinch.

Grabbing behind the head, pulling them down so that he is bent over and then applying all your body weight to their neck and shoulders is not a clinch.

That's three different illegal manoeuvres.

 

1.34 Proves the holding was just as much Povetkin's fault as Wlad's in their fight.

 

So when Povetkin initiates a clinch it's reasonable, but when Wlad does it it's unreasonable?

Either way it was a clash of styles that caused all the holding, not strictly just Wlad's fault.

 

Isn't that how Mike Tyson used to fight? Throw left hook, miss, clinch. Jump in, try an uppercut, clinch.

 

Povetkin came in with his head every time, putting his head in Wlad's groin area, so of course a clinch was inevitable.

He did this because he knew that if he didn't he would get caught by Wlad's jab on the way in.

I'm sorry but that is what happened repeatedly throughout the fight, Povetkin came in in such a way that holding was inevitable, then when Wlad inevitably holds it looks like it's all his fault.

If Wlad looked to be initiating the clinch at times as Povetkin came in it is probably due to the fact he knows what is about to happen due to it having happened before.

The bottom line is when someone barges towards you flailing their arms around with their head at groin level you have little option but to end up in a clinch. If they keep doing it then eventually you will just anticipate a clinch and go with it as you have no other choice.

Wlad held a lot, but Povetkin was to blame for initiating his share of it.

Like I said, a clash of styles.