Longest a title challenger has been stoned walled (post Color Line)?

I never said that was how Whyte became #1...I explained to you how he came to be fighting in a title eliminator.
He was WBC #5 following the Chisora fight.
He then became #1 after winning the silver title against Helenius.
Now you could argue how does that warrant the #1 spot, but it was pretty simple, Klitschko and Pulev were dropped from the rankings, Ortiz fell foul of a drugs test, and Stiverne got stopped in a round by Wilder.
But heck, Breazeale got elevated to #2 for beating Molina...

 

Well how would you feel if you had held held the WBC international title (Allen), then fought in a WBC eliminator (Chisora), then held the WBC silver title (Helenius), defended that belt against fighters like Parker, then fought in a long overdue final eliminator (Rivas) and held the interim title, then had to fight in another final eliminator (Povetkin 1) lose that, then win the interim title back(Povetkin 2) to then be told you are not even going to get the minimum split that is within the guidelines 70-30%, but instead the WBC are going to make a special case of you because Bob Arum asked so nicely.

Whyte paid how many sanctioning fees to the WBC over the years, and he gets 20%.
Fury on the other hand has represented the WBC in one fight as champion and gets 80%.

Anyone would be pissed at that.

 

Not actually true. He should have been fighting Breazeale to become mandatory. That was the whole issue. Beating Ortiz would have only made him "second mandatory." Tell me, who did Ortiz beat that he deserved not one but two title shots?

 

What point about Povetkin? I already responded to you directly on him being contracted to fight Whyte in a rematch.

Or are you talking about when the WBC screwed him out of his title shot at Wilder, with some outrageous PED charges? Yeah, I agree that was another case of the WBC acting like scumbags.
I noted as well, the WBC then said he could regain his mandatory position by fighting Stiverne. Both of them popped dirty, and yet they gave Stiverne the mandatory position (because Don King asked so nicely), and kicked Povetkin out of the rankings.

Is that what you were talking about?

As I say, it seems like another example of WBC corrupt practice to protect their at the time champion, does it not?

We can leave it there if you like, but let's be clear Povetkin and Golovkin having issues with the WBC doesn't undermine Whyte having his own issues with them since 2017. In terms of time scale, it really isn't comparable.

 

Okay, rather than having to argue the toss over and over, this is my position:

TLDR: Whyte won his first eliminator against Dereck Chisora in DEC 2016; Whyte won his final eliminator alongside the Interim title again Oscar Rivas in July 2019; Whyte lost his interim title to Povetkin in August 2020; Whyte won the interim title back in March 2021.

Dillian Whyte started his journey to become mandatory challenger for the WBC title in DEC 2016, after being stalled out by the WBC repeatedly he will finally get his shot this weekend (2022)?


I expect push-back on this, but please can I request you come with a link(s) to back up your argument(s) to save both of us time. Perhaps one of you makes a great argument that completely undermines my position. I look forward to finding out.


Below is a detailing of the events relevant to Whyte’s mandatory position (I could go in more detail on general WBC corruption, but it’s not relevant here):

DEC 2016: Whyte v Chisora 1 is an eliminator for the WBC title. – Whyte wins

Dillian Whyte defeats Dereck Chisora in thrilling heavyweight contest - BBC Sport

DEC 2016: Joshua v Molina – Joshua wins, Molina fails a UKAD drug test, UKAD investigation begins. ***remember this for later

US boxer Eric Molina banned for two-years after failing post-fight drugs test after Anthony Joshua knockout (thesun.co.uk)

DEC 2016: Stiverne and Povetkin are due to fight for Interim Title (+ the chance to become Wilder’s first mandatory). First Stiverne and then Povetkin fail drug tests.

Stiverne fails drug test but fight with Povetkin still on - The Ring (ringtv.com)

Povetkin's Promoter Disputes Positive Finding on B-Sample - Boxing News (*******.com)

December 2016: Don King lobbies the WBC to make Stiverne the Interim Champion without fighting anyone.

Don King To WBC: Declare Stiverne Champion ⋆ Boxing News 24

December 2016: Rumours that Whyte will fight Bermaine Stiverne in a final eliminator.

Dillian Whyte could face former world champion Bermane Stiverne | Boxing News | Sky Sports


WBC ranking end of 2016:

Rankings-CMB-Diciembre-2016.pdf (boxeodecolombia.com)




So… ENTERING 2017

We have Whyte on track to challenge for the WBC title having won an eliminator. Wilder (PBC) hasn’t faced a mandatory in his first two years as Champion. Povetkin has failed a drug test. Stiverne has failed a drug test. Molina has failed a UKAD drug test, but the information is yet to be published.


FEBRUARY 2017: After lobbying from Don King the WBC install Stiverne as Interim champion and then make him Wilder’s mandatory challenger, ignoring Stiverne’s failed drug test, and not requiring Stiverne to fight a WBC final eliminator against one of Ortiz or Whyte (which fans were expecting). Again, note Whyte won a WBC title eliminator in 2016.

WBC orders Wilder-Stiverne II - Bad Left Hook

FEB 2017: Dillian Whyte (WBC #4) calls out Dominic Breazeale (WBC #11) for Silver title fight.

Dillian Whyte Calls Out Dominic Breazeale For WBC Silver Title Fight!!! - YouTube

JULY 2021: Whyte’s team makes a third offer to fight Wilder, but Stiverne’s mandatory status may prevent it

Hearn Still Pressing To Make Deontay Wilder vs. Dillian Whyte - Boxing News (*******.com)

AUGUST 2017: Stiverne (WBC#1), the WBC interim belt holder and mandatory challenger, announces that he will make an interim title defence against Breazeale (WBC #11) on the undercard of Wilder v Ortiz.

NOTE: Breazeale (WBC#11 following his win against Ugonoh) was drafted in as a guy for Stiverne to beat in a tune-up fight after Stiverne was forced to step aside for Luis Ortiz by the WBC. Remember Whyte (WBC#4) had already won his title eliminator 8 months earlier. The WBC will now start nudging up Breazeale’s ranking month by month.

BERMANE STIVERNE INTERVIEW TALKS STEP ASIDE, WILL FACE BREAZEALE NOVEMBER 11TH - YouTube

SEPTEMBER 2017: Luis Ortiz fails a drug test…

Deontay Wilder still wants to fight Luis Ortiz, ruling coming soon (standingeightcount.com)

SEPTEMBER 2017: Whyte offers to step in and fight Wilder

Dillian Whyte urged Deontay Wilder to fight him after Luis Ortiz's failed drug test | Boxing News | Sky Sports

SEPTEMBER 2017: DiBella, Wilder’s promoter doesn’t like the idea of the Whyte fight:

Lou DiBella refreshes Dillian Whyte memory after Deontay Wilder callout (*****.net)

OCT 2017: Stiverne installed as mandatory to fight Wilder. Note, Stiverne has not fought in 2 years, will now be elevated to be Wilder’s mandatory challenger.

Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz OFF: Bermane Stiverne steps up as Dillian Whyte misses out | Boxing | Sport | Express.co.uk

OCTOBER 2017: Instead of Breazeale (PBC) fighting Whyte on the undercard, the WBC allows Breazeale to choose his opponent for his title eliminator. Breazeale chooses Eric Molina (PBC)! The same Eric Molina (PBC) who is now serving a UKAD ban. *** remember this, it will be important later.

Heavyweights Dominic Breazeale, Eric Molina to fight on Brooklyn undercard (espn.com)

OCT 2017: Molina’s UKAD ban begins

US boxer Eric Molina banned for two-years after failing post-fight drugs test after Anthony Joshua knockout (thesun.co.uk)

OCT2017: Breazeale (WBC#6) v Molina (WBC#12) press release has this as a Final Eliminator. The media are shocked by this, questioning the WBC. Note Breazeale, month by month has been nudged up from WBC #11 to #6. lol

The WBC change their website from “final eliminator” to “eliminator” following the backlash.

IS THE WBC BACKING OFF "FINAL" ELIMINATOR STATUS FOR BREAZEALE v MOLINA??? - YouTube

OCT 2017: Whyte will fight Helenius for Silver title:

Dillian Whyte to fight Robert Helenius Oct. 28 in Joshua-Pulev co-feature - The Ring (ringtv.com)

NOV 2017: Wilder v Stiverne, in Wilder’s first mandatory defence. 1st round KO of the morbidly obese Stiverne, who throws 4 punches.

Deontay Wilder defeats Bermane Stiverne in first-round knockout (espn.com)

NOV 2017: Breazeale v Molina, Breazeale wins the title eliminator.

Dominic Breazeale defeats Eric Molina ⋆ Boxing News 24

DECEMBER 2017: Wilder rejects a $3m offer to fight Whyte, because he wants $7m, and chooses instead agrees to fight Luis Ortiz in March 2018:

Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz agreed for March 3 in Brooklyn, NY ⋆ Boxing News 24

So end of 2017… we have Dillian Whyte (who has been chasing a fight with Wilder all year) who has won a WBC title eliminator and Dominic Breazeale who has won a WBC title eliminator. Everyone is now expecting Whyte v Breazeale as a final eliminator to become Wilder’s mandatory challenger.


March 2019, WBC rewrite history and claim Breazeale fought Molina in a Final Eliminator bout and make him the Mandatory challenger to fight Deontay Wilder.

STATUS OF THE WBC HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION – World Boxing Council (wbcboxing.com)

April 2019: WBC instead of ordering Whyte v Breazeale in a final eliminator, they order a fight for “second mandatory” between Whyte and Ortiz (note: Ortiz was just KO’d by Wilder in March 2019).

Dillian Whyte-Luis Ortiz eliminator ordered as WBC provides title status updates (espn.com)


May 2019: Hearn calls out the nonsense blocking Whyte from ever fighting Wilder:

The mysterious obstacles between Dillian Whyte and his shot at Deontay Wilder - Boxing News (boxingnewsonline.net)

 

I think if you are a mandatory challenger out of principle you should expect the minimum as written in the guidelines. Or do you think that A-sides should be able to do whatever the **** they like?
That's a pretty hot take!
I like it!

 

Jennings has never been anything more than a top 20 gate keeper. His record speaks for itself. But I agree that Ortiz was hard done by in the first fight against Wilder.

And that article supports what I said about it being for second mandatory...

The WBC said this about ordering the Whyte vs. Ortiz secondary title eliminator: “April 2018 WBC orders a final elimination bout between Dillian Whyte and Luis Ortiz for the second mandatory of the division.”​

Have a read of my above post and come back to me: