Look at it without emotion, be rational

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Beebs, Nov 15, 2008.


  1. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Take away his pro wrestling, take away his obviously scripted interviews, take away all your hatred for him, and truely look at what Brock is:

    What is Brock? Brock is simply the modern Mark Kerr, the modern Mark Coleman, and yes, the modern Randy Couture. All of those men jumped to the front of the line at least a little bit due to their wrestling background.

    Take away all emotion from the equation, step back, look rationally, and you will see that Brock is simply the modern version of a proven quantity in MMA, the dominant American wrestler with absurd strength and great work ethic, the only difference is unlike Kerr and Coleman, Brock is quickly developing all aspects of his game, not just one or two.

    This has been going on since UFC 4 guys, it is in every weight class, hell even every country. In Japan its usually Judo, guys like Mach, but they also have their wrestlers like Ishida. Brazil has a long history of big guys coming in starting way back with Zulu in the 80s, Morais in the eary 90s.

    This is nothing new, its just that Brock had the most intense spotlight on him because so many people want MMA to not be shown up by pro wrestling, but guess what? Pro wrestling had nothing to do with it, it was simply the better finacial offer Brock had at the time. Not to mention half of Japanese MMA grew out of wrestling, and the culture of pro wrestling is very much alive. Sakuraba pro wrestled to pay the bills, so did Brock, yet one is the most beloved character of all time, and one is one of the most hated. As time goes on and people realize that Brock's MMA ability has nothing to do with his pro Wrestling, and everything to do with his Amateur wrestling and MMA training, the hate will hopefully die down.

    This is also not the first time a guy has won with so much of a size difference, this goes back as far as the heavyweight division in any sport, look at Jim Jefferies, he like Brock was skilled, but he was also the most amazing athlete of his day and won alot of fights because of his size and strength being used to enhance his skill. Anton Geesink, the Dutch Judoka, Karelin, the most dominant athlete in any sport ever in my opinion, and in alot of ways he is very similar to Brock. Take away all the personality issues with Brock, he is being no less cocky than Muhamed Ali, and even if you don't like his personality, that doesn't mean the sport is being tarnished, the sport is the sport, not the talking.

    Yes its sad to see Randy lose to a newcomer, but Randy started his career almost identically to Brock, straight into the big leagues, dominating with wrestling, and then adding more to his game each day. It was a passing of the torch, not a change of the game.

    Everybody needs to calm down, be rational, take a step back, and realize this is nothing new, not to MMA, and not even to combat sports, any of them. The heavyweight division in all sports can at times be dominated by guys who are simply freaks of nature.
     
  2. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Good post! I just dont get it... BTW you forgot to add that Saku turned out to be one of the greatest MMA fighter of all time..

    Add to this the exposure this brings...We already have this 22 year old Olympic Gold medalist Judoka frm Japan skipping his am career and going straight to MMA. Why? he knows he can compete and he was offered a multi million dollar contract. I can almost guarantee you he'll be very successful.
     
  3. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I've always been a fan of Lesnar. I just didn't want him to beat Couture. He can go on to be a great asset to the sport.
     
  4. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    You have to be impressed with Brock's standup which is impressive considering the short time he has done it. Kerr,Coleman,Randleman have even still after all these years really not learned to throw a punch and Brock is only getting better.
     
  5. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Take away all the emotion, he's nothing but a ****in meat full of steroids.
     
  6. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Neither did I, but thats because I find Randy inspirational, but I am just showing that Brock is nothing new, he is just the newest version of a long, long history of people like him in all sports.
     
  7. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Dare I say it's because Lesnar's training with JKD certified shooto champion EriK Paulson? :good
     
  8. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatever steroids he may have taken in the past, he is absolutely clean of all performance enhancing drugs that are banned right now.

    Steroids don't make a frame bigger, they don't make a bone structure bigger. I'm not a huge fan of Brock, but be reasonable.
     
  9. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well clearly it is, but Paulson's style of JKD is heavily based on boxing, muay thai, and Karate; and lets just say that we didn't see Brock using much Karate, he certainly was not using wing chun.
     
  10. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You will never live down the fact that a "fake" WWF Wrestler kicked all your asses. :good
     
  11. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Quite true. I still can't understand one thing- how so many fans dis Brock because of his pro wrestling days, yet fell hook, line, and sinker for his "heel" (villain) act leading into this fight and now actually hate or dislike him. Half of pro wrestling is working angles and selling fights and his attitude leading into the fight was classic "bad guy". All the boos just meant he did his job.

    It's a fine example of life imitating art.
     
  12. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's not fake wrestler. He's huge, and strong and unskilled. He kicked an 45y.o. overrated ass that I'm a big fan off. Today is the last day I'm posting until my avatar expired. Not because of the avatar but because I'm so disappointed in Couture.
     
  13. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unskilled? Former WWE Champion, former NCAA Champion, he can outwrestle any MMA guy around, and he knows how to box well and throws a mean knee strike and elbow. :hey
     
  14. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    If you look at him from his WWE days and what he looks like now it's obvious he's not on juice, he really doesn't need to be, and to say he is unskilled is very ignorant.
     
  15. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry, your trolling is useless. MMA fighters have a long history of doing pro wrestling to pay the bills before MMA became what it is today in terms of money.

    The entire business of pro wrestling developed from guys who could actually fight needing to make a quick buck; if some sucker wants to watch fake fights and pay for it, hey somebody has to separate those fools from their money.

    The most beloved fighter in the history of the sport paid his bills by pro wrestling before becoming a full time MMA fighter, so you have missed the bus by about a decade.

    Good attempt though, but this is one time your trolling is just not going to work.