Looking back Zab Judah Vs Floyd Mayweather

Symphenyceo · May 12, 2009

Relentless said: ↑

berto's the same size.
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No, Berto is bigger than Floyd.

NALLEGE · May 12, 2009

There isn't a fighter on this planet who has gone their whole career without being hit clean or outboxed at times. The finish of the fight and the winner is all that counts in the end.

1lehudson · May 12, 2009

Judah maybe the single most talented fighter of the era...Maybe the fastest hands, great power, high skill level. If he could just fix his problem between his ears...Judah has done well in every fight he has ever had early. It takes guys a round or two to adjust to his handspeed.

J.R. · May 12, 2009

Judah lost his confidence at a certain point, but had the ref counted the knockdown like he should have he might have been able to stick it out and win a close decision victory.

NALLEGE · May 12, 2009

He might've, iffa, woulda, coulda, shoulda's, lucky punches...they don't exist in boxing.

heidegger · May 12, 2009

Judah GOAT for the first 4 rounds! :rofl

J.R. · May 12, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

He might've, iffa, woulda, coulda, shoulda's, lucky punches...they don't exist in boxing.
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If your mother had layed off the crack during her pregnancy you might've been born with more than a below average I.Q.

littlefloyd · May 12, 2009

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Some thoughts after seeing the fight again:

- Judah was actually timing Mayweather moderately well at points. I noticed how, at more than one point, he moved forward or threw a jab, and Mayweather would instantly attempt to counter him, only for Judah to lean back and counter the counter, so to speak. (He did it with a left, and you can see it best in the first three rounds.)

- Mayweather didn't entirely change his style to the high guard for this fight, as some point out -- he alternated between his usual shoulder-roll stance and the high one.

- Judah is his own worst enemy. When he hits Mayweather with his biggest punch of the night (the straight-left that stunned Floyd for a moment and put him in a shell) he instantly became frenzied and attacked wildly, smothering his own work and throwing big swings that Mayweather ducked or rolled with under a guard. He made the exact same mistake in the Tszyu fight, when he hurt him with a punch (I think it was the uppercut, not sure) in the first round -- he became wild and missed his best chance of winning. A great fighter who had hurt Mayweather like that (for example, Sugar Ray Leonard) would have kept under control and gone to the body, getting him to drop his guard, before moving up to finish him with headshots.

- Mayweather often bounced back in straight lines, which is why Judah was able to land his left hand on more than one occasion. All Judah had to do was throw a few jabs to back him up and then suddenly fire with the left, and it worked surprisingly well. Moving back in a straight line like that against Pac would be a massive mistake, as Pac has infinitely better combination punching skill than Judah, and a better straight-left too, in my opinion.

- Lennox notes that Mayweather throws the straight-right and just falls into a clinch instantly afterwards, and I agree. You can also observe him doing this more than once in the Hatton fight. A good, fast fighter could study this habit and have a counter ready.

- Mayweather only starts unloading serious combinations when he notes how Judah is slowing down. You also see this in the Hatton fight.

- Mayweather slowly began to dominate until it looked like Judah was going to get knocked down or stopped, if not for the infamous low blow brawl. I personally think this is more due to Judah's lack of stamina than the body punches that Mayweather landed, although those shots obviously didn't help him. Judah really did drop his punch output as he grew more tired, and this made Mayweather's aggressive approach much more effective than it was in the first few rounds.

- Mayweather was technically knocked down, even if it was a flash KD, because his glove touched the canvas.

- Judah landed a very sharp body punch in round 8, which even Merchant instantly praised. One of the drawbacks of that high guard Mayweather was using is that it often leaves you vulnerable to the body.

- I don't think Mayweather would fight Pac with the aggression he used here. If he does, it would be a grave mistake, in my opinion. The high guard can stay, but he needs to get on his bike and circle the ring while throwing counters instead of walking Pac down, because that would just be walking directly into a storm. Pac is no Judah.

- This fight also highlights one of Mayweather's most underrated assets -- his stamina. His stamina allows him to stay in the game and stay sharp when his opponent is fading, and this also saved him in the Hoya fight and allowed him to unleash those combinations in the late rounds of the Hatton fight. He's very well conditioned, and Judah simply cannot come near to matching him on that level, which was the key part of why he slowly disintegrated. Mayweather even planned his approach directly around this point, as Roger's remarks in the corner indicate.

This is why this potential fight is so interesting. One can argue that it's pitting the most potent offence against the most impressive defence in the sport at present. Of course, both fighters obviously have elements of each, but it's also clear that they specialise in opposing departments. A clash of utterly contrasting styles.
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man this is a great post:good this is why i always think pac has the better chance against mayweather, not marquez.

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