Looking Bad For Wilder

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fury is likely in the best physical shape of his life if that photo is to be believed. If you watch his latest strength and conditioning training sessions and compare them to what he did before with Peter Fury the contrast is dramatic. Tyson is finally training like a modern day pro and that's seen him add strength and muscle mass, whether that translates to power is hard to say.

    But even if he is in the best physical shape of his life that may not mean he's as good as before. Boxing is more than just being in physical shape, plenty of very fit fighters never make it to the top level. In boxing, timing, skill, etc are more important and who knows if the inactivity and drugs have robbed Fury of that. Can he move like he once did? Can he time shots and react with the same speed like before?

    Maybe Fury will shock us and show us a more powerful, skilled and explosive Fury that KO's Wilder or maybe we just see a guy who looks the part but no longer has what it takes. Remember Bowe in the 2nd Golota fight looked like he was in fantastic shape but the damage had already been done.
     
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  2. sid

    sid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    BB i'm going with yes.
    (Can he move like he once did? Can he time shots and react with the same speed like before?)
    It's natural with Fury,this he won't lose when in best shape & he looks back to his best.
    I feel Wilder is going pull out or be in a world of trouble.
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    I don't think Fury looked as bad against Pianeta as many people remarked. He wasn't back to his best, but what he didn't do well looked more a result of his not being in condition rather than any general deterioration of his skills. Training vids still show he's got his speed and herky jerky style, and even if he's lost a step I don't think he needs to be in Klitschko condition to beat Wilder.

    I just hope he heeds his own advice and doesn't overtrain. No one will give a toss how in shape he was if he can't perform on the night.
     
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  4. Holler

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    This is what I would have posted if I was clevererer:

    I may have added that punch resistance may also have declined and also that lots of fighters say that none of the gym work is a substitute for actual rounds in the ring, particularly in the legs and aforementioned punch resistance and that there are few is any shortcuts for addressing the effects of inactivity. I hope Fury does it because it will be a great boxing story but I still fear that Furys fitness will prove skin deep and there will come a point, may end 5 or so rounds in, when all those 27 stones worth of chickens come home to roost.
     
  5. GALVATRON

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    Bowe didn't have the reach advantage against Golota and Futch left him for being lazy....

    These are two things that doesn't apply to Fury , the main one he's not heavy footed like Bowe either and weight in this case is the most important thing in the fight for Fury, he's still the better boxer and relying on power vs someone who wins rounds almost always goes to the guy who wins rounds .
     
  6. Brighton bomber

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    I also don't think he looked that bad vs Pianeta he looked much improved from the Seferi fight, but still not as good as he was vs Wlad but the thing with Fury is he's always had up and down performances. McDermott, Chisora 1, Pajkic, Cunningham he all looked poor then he schools Johnson, beats up Chisora in the rematch when out of shape and puts on a clinic vs Wlad. **** knows what Fury we will get.

    I'm still favouring Wilder but won't be shocked if Fury comes in and dominates either.
     
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  7. Brighton bomber

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    Fury hasn't been through a bunch of wars like Bowe either. But Wilder does have that fight ending power which is why you can never count Wilder out. It didn't help Wlad but Wilder is far less predictable and can counter punch unlike Wlad.

    I honestly don't know who will win. I have Wilder favourite but am not certain at all in regards to what will happen. It's what makes this fight so interesting.
     
  8. It's Ovah

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    I expect Fury to come into the fight in the best condition he's capable of being in. His poorer performances tended to be when he underestimated his opponents or was still finding his preferred style. I don't think he'll underestimate Wilder, knowing the risk he poses. My only concern, as mentioned, is that he doesn't overtrain and leave it all in the gym. I'd rather he come into the ring a little soft but capable of going twelve rounds than ripped to shreds and gasses in five. Fury said as much in the Rogan interview, but what Fury says and what he does are frequently at odds with each other.
     
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  9. sid

    sid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think 27 stones worth of chickens come home to roost,the way I see it is,Wilder made the biggest mistake of his boxing career.Fury can do things that some other boxers can't do,Wilder can't do what Fury can & he's to light to take Fury.
     
  10. Holler

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    Hope you are right.

    I'm in the 'he looked bloody dreadful vs Pianeta' camp so perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic. I thought both his opponents looked like they were fighting under instruction from Frank Warren and even then, pianeta got through too easily with shots that from a harder puncher may have spelled trouble. I also thought Fury looked to have no rhythm or timing, no snap or power in his punches and mentally he looked weak and to be going through the motions. Of course all of this could be a massive fake out by some master strategist Keen on duping the watching Breland and Deeas. Or maybe it's Fury adjusting his level to his opponent.
     
  11. sid

    sid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My take is if Fury looked to good this fight would not happen,Fury to smart for Wilder.