Looking for a consensus HW top100!

ChrisPontius · Nov 11, 2008

mcvey said:

I think you should start again, Frazier shouldn't be in the top 50 !
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This is a consensus list, not a list for Frazier-bashing-men who go to Thailand for "special needs". :twisted:

mattdonnellon · Nov 11, 2008

I liked Quarry a lot but he lost too many to be top 30, he is generally slightly overated. Peak or near peak losses to Machen, Chuvalo, Ellis hurt him big tine AT THIS LEVEL. Also the draw with Patterson but I'm sure he is top 50.

mcvey · Nov 11, 2008

ChrisPontius said:

This is a consensus list, not a list for Frazier-bashing-men who go to Thailand for "special needs". :twisted:
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All right I will make up a rival list for old perverts. PS Did you get the Thrilla In Manila Documentary in your Flat land? Joe looks in pretty bad shape physically and financially ,damn shame if ever a fighter deserved the fruits of his wars its him.

ChrisPontius · Nov 12, 2008

mcvey said:

All right I will make up a rival list for old perverts. PS Did you get the Thrilla In Manila Documentary in your Flat land? Joe looks in pretty bad shape physically and financially ,damn shame if ever a fighter deserved the fruits of his wars its him.
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Haven't seen it yet, they don't show anything boxing related here outside of a few fights on Eurosport. Fortunately, i can watch most via the Internet or German channels which i can receive. There are few boxers who live a comfortable, healthy life past 50 years of age, and Frazier is not one of them.

mcvey · Nov 12, 2008

SuzieQ49 said:

Mendoza I would love for you to explain why Lee Q Murray being rated at # 65 is too high a ranking? Ray Arcel called Murray the best puncher of the 1940s next to louis. Murray was 6'3 210lb, he beat oustanding competiton and was Recognized Interm heavyweight champion by maryland and Ohio commissions during world war II. He was a consistent highly rated member of Ring Magazine.

Cleveland Promoter Believes

Murray Can Take Joe Louis

BY JACK CUDDY

NEW YORK, Dec. 7—(UP)—

Larry Atkins of Cleveland, America's second ranking prizefight promoter, believes that

Lee. Q. Murray, big Connecticut negro, is the most dangerous potential threat to Sgt. Joe Louis' heavyweight crown.
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." This Atkins' praise of Murray was so entirely unexpected that a startled reporter inquired of the visiting Cleveland entrepreneur last night, "how come you boost, Murray, when he almost'ruined Jimmy Bivins, your meal, ticket, last week?" Atkins, a youngish, broadshouldered, black-haired chap of 41, fixed the reporter with steely eyes, and remonstrated,'In our Cleveland promotions,we have no meal tickets. We have cards. A Cleveland fighter is a card as long as he can lick anybody we bring in. When he loses to an outsider, the outsider becomes the card."In the case of Murray vs. "Card" Bivins of Cleveland, promoter Atkins was doubly fortunate. Little Bivins won an unpopular 10-round decision over Murray last Wednesday night, after Murray had the Cleveland negro staggering about the ring and dripping with gore. The fans booed the-decision so long, and so lustily that a re-match was as necessary as if by royal command. They'll tangle, again in late February — after both principals recover from their wounds. Atkins, who in four short years changed Cleveland from one of the country's worst fight cities into a promoter's paradise, said, "I knew Murray was a good fighter before I matched him'with Bivins. But during the first two rounds, I thought Murray would ruin me. He never let loose with a punch. Disgustedly, I left my seat at the ringside, and walked to the rear of the arena. But Murray was just mouse-trapping his man. He knew Bivins was a cutie and he was sucking him in. Bivins left himself open in the third round, and Murray hit him. Bivins rolled with that right-hand punch to the chin; but the force was so terrific that Bivins wasn't the same for the rest of the fight.

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I don't know where I would put Murray but he makes the cut, wins over Bivins,Sheppard,Bobo,Walker , Thompson and stopping Lowry dropping him 7 times ,get him in my 100.

mcvey · Nov 12, 2008

Unforgiven said:

I know you cant be directing that at me, since I never vaunted or cheered those two wins.
I'd just like to re-iterate I give Byrd credit for beating Tua - a lot of credit, Tua's a dangerous guy - and would rank Byrd above Tua.

When it comes to the 30 greatest heavyweights of all-time, neither of them is close. In my opinion.
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BYrd's best win is over Tua ,who can't handle boxers.Byrds big name wins are a 36 year old Golota who NEVER beat a rated contender had 3 fights in 4 years his last two wins being over nobodies. And a 40 year old Holyfield. BYrds win over Vitaly is tainted as it was an injury retirement in a fight the Ukrainian was winning.Top 50 heavyweight is kind.

SuzieQ49 · Apr 7, 2010

Louis was fed to the wolves early on. Jack Kranz was an undefeated 13-0. Al Delaney was 17-1. Adolph Wiater was 16-1(very close fight. Louis said he bloodied up his nose)..these are not easy guys to face in ur 4th, 6th, and 7th pro fights.

SuzieQ49 · Apr 7, 2010

woops wrong thread sry

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