Looking for a consensus HW top100!

One thing I notice in an overview of the lists, we all favor some era a little bit more than others. I lean more to the 1890-1910's than most, SuzieQ to the 50's(and size) and ChrisP to the later years. I'm not saying we are wrong but it's good to be aware!

 

Having some time i evaluated ChrisP's list(revised) and my own.
There are glaring dissimilarities.
he has 23 fighters on his list that I havent;
Rahman(top 40)
Ruiz(t50)
morrison
baker
layne
sanders
lastarza
murray
maskaev
mauriello
fulton
thompson
nova
briggs
uzcuden
matthews
satterfield
renault
haynes
valdez-I should have him, I think
page
b baer
savold
and Donald.
So I agree with 77 of his!
And to match that I have 23 that are not on his list, starting with Tommy Gibbons at 42 and
Ed Martin(44)
norfolk
mccoy
Jeff Clarke
nccarty
conn
Gunboat Smith
bonavena
O'Brien
dillon
coetzee
tate
bugner
cooper
chuvalo
root
bonecrusher
carpentier
levinsky
ferguson
gardner and
Doug Jones.
So altogether we agree on only 54.(Some consensus!)
It can also be seen that I favor the early periods and lightheavy-cum-heavyweights while Chris goes for the fifties and the last couple of decades. Alls fair in love and boxing.

 

Matt Donnollen, I lean toward the 40s-80s heavyweights as a whole, yes defintley

 

80s? Outside of Tyson and Holmes the 80s were as bad as today´s.

 

So how could you possibly have bob baker and especially bob satterfield rated over clarence henry?


btw, most posters here have said to move clarence henry UP from # 89, a horribly low ranking. name me one poster who claimed henry does not deserve a 89 ranking? I understand perhaos you dont know alot about the man(not many do), but I can assure you that the papers considered clarence henry by far the best heavyweight out there next to louis, marciano, charles, walcott of the era. John Garfield has spoken EXTREMLEY high on clarence henry many times.


Satterfield was blasted away in ONE round by henry, i have the fight..yet u have satterfield over henry?


baker went 0-2 vs henry getting knocked out in the first competitive fight, and losing nearly all 10 rounds in the rematch!!! yet u have baker 35 spots ahead???

you also have rex layne ahead, and though rex accomplished more.....I think layne would have got his ass kicked by clarence henry. on a side note, how is lastarza going to beat henry? I can't see how roland's going to beat him in any way. henry is much faster sharper more powerful than roland.



though u might not want to hear this, Al Weill ducked Clarence Henry. A fight between # 3 rated henry and # 1 rated marciano could have been made in late 1951 as a final eliminator, but Weill was scared to lose rockys # 1 rating, and instead decided to duck henry and instead chose a washed up fat slow unrated lee savold. Would henry have beaten marciano? No, but it would have been one of marcianos toughest fights.


lastly, I see you have decided to not move nino valdez up which i find suprising considering he dominated a man in your top 20, and he was a # 1 rated contender 2 times during his career. At 6'3 215lb, he had a sharp long left jab which pulverized opponents......and he had two fisted knockout power. surely that rates him well on a h2h scale?

 

wait bonavena in the top 50? over Zora Folley who boxed his ears off with ease? the bonavena who couldnt beat a skilled boxer if his life depended on it?

I think you should switch morrison with clarence henry......and put bonavena in at 89. that would be rational. I will never stop hounding you about clarence henry. LoL.



whether or not you agree with me on clarence henry(not a big deal) I am interested to hear why you believe baker deserves to be 35 spots ahead of clarence henry, and why satterfield deserves a rating over clarence henry?




btw like ur list overall

 

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Sonny Liston
6. Mike Tyson
7. George Foreman
8. Rocky Marciano
9. Joe Frazier
10. Jack Johnson

11. Evander Holyfield
12. Jack Dempsey
13. James Jeffries
14. Jersey Joe Walcott
15. Harry Wills
16. Riddick Bowe
17. Vitali Klitschko
18. Wladimir Klitschko
19. Peter Jackson
20. Max Schmeling

21. Floyd Patterson
22. Ingemar Johansson
23. Joe Jeannette
24. Jimmy Bivins
25. Eddie Machen
26. Jerry Quarry
27. Sam McVea
28. Ike Ibeabuchi
29. Max Baer
30. Ken Norton

31. Zora Folley
32. Tim Witherspoon
33. Cleveland Williams
34. Jimmy Young
35. Tony Tucker
36. James Douglas
37. Primo Carnera
38. Elmer Ray
39. Ron Lyle
40. Ray Mercer

41. David Tua
42. Jimmy Ellis
43. Jack Sharkey
44. George Godfrey
45. Frank Bruno
46. Clarence Henry
47. Tom Sharkey
48. James Corbett
49. Oscar Bonavena
50. Tommy Morrison

51. Earnie Shavers
52. Donovan Ruddock
53. Pinklon Thomas
54. Ernie Terrell
55. Roland LaStarza
56. Chris Byrd
57. Buddy Baer
58. Rex Layne
59. Fred Fulton
60. Bob Satterfield

61. Michael Moorer
62. Gerry Cooney
63. Jim Braddock
64. Ruslan Chagaev
65. Lee Q Murray
66. Nikolay Valuev
67. Buster Mathis
68. Trevor Berbick
69. Bob Baker
70. Nino Valdes

71. Mike Weaver
72. Mike DeJohn
73. Oliver McCall
74. Bob Cleroux
75. George Chuvalo
76. Andrew Golota
77. Joe Bugner
78. Oleg Maskaev
79. John Ruiz
80. Hasim Rahman

81. Bob Pastor
82. Turkey Thompson
83. Jameel McCline
84. Tony Tubbs
85. Shannon Briggs
86. Samuel Peter
87. Tommy Burns
88. Mac Foster
89. Thad Spencer
90. Tami Mauriello

91. Greg Page
92. John Tate
93. Henry Cooper
94. Joe Choynski
95. Tommy Farr
96. Nathan Mann
97. Gerrie Coetzee
98. Michael Dokes
99. Carl Williams
100.Jess Willard

I made what I view as fair adjustments in ranking fighters fighting under different rulesets. This was only recently rounded out so it is still a working list of sorts. Jackson, Patterson, and Norton were all moved down fairly recently, and I had Baer at a substantially higher standing up until recently.

I'm also contemplating Johansson's place in the list. I wonder if there is case for putting him below Machen, a man he knocked out in a single round.

 

Wow QuickCash I really like the list. my only strong objection is vitali klitscko at 17. but it seems to me u got most of the eras right, including the 1950s a difficult era to rate. baker and valdez do belong aside eachother, layne and lastarza are rated accordingly, and henry is rated the highest at 46. STRONG JOB! other than a few minor disagreements and one major disagreement, i really like the list

 

Bonavena lost to Folley in what? His 9th fight? Actually, Bonavena later defeated an aging Folley. I don't really know which one of these two I would rate higher.

Henry should be ahead of Baker and Satterfield. Layne is another matter. For whatever reason, Henry lost to Johnson and Moore when he moved up to fight the really top men. Layne defeated Walcott, and also Charles in a disputed decision. For me, accomplishment trumps potential.

 

Vitali, Wladimir and Bowe ahead of Patterson, Schmeling, Jeanette, McVey, Jackson? Ibeabuchi at 28?

 

If those are your only major objections, then I would say that we are mostly in agreement. It is a list of 100 after all.

I think a lot of people here will agree with me on my opinion on Patterson. He simply was not an elite heavyweight no matter how you slice it. Wlad, Vitali, and Bowe are closer to that category hence the rating.

The problem I have is that it gets increasingly trifling towards the middle, and practically moot and futile towards the end. I don't think a true consensus can be achieved, to be perfectly honest.

 

Bonavena got knocked down twice and decisioned by another Jimmy Ellis.... who was not that good.



Speaking of the Folley fight, Folley was already well past his prime by 1965 when he knocked down and won every single round against bonavena. Bonavena was 8-0... but within months he would go on to beat Gregorio peralta and george chuvalo. The folley loss was the ONLY "legit" loss bonavena had between the start of his career and frazier I, so this is a very impressive win for a well over the hill folley.

 

No Ezzard Charles? Even in the top 100?!?!

 

My comments on a few picks

Overall pretty solid.