Looking for a consensus HW top100!

Sorry Matt but you've made your contribution. Obviously i appreciate the feedback and discussion, but i can't keep making adjustments from one person, or the list would go from one personal list to another, instead of a consensus list.

 

Okay, i've included Bugner again, but wouldn't you say top70 is a bit high? The list goes on accomplishment, not potential (i.e. he would've beaten Bonavena and Chuvalo). His best wins are an old Ellis, Mac Foster who lost to every decent fighter at that point and Cooper who wasn't all that to begin with.

In addition to that, various other posters had him no higher than top90 if i remember correct.

Which fighter would you like to have removed from the list? Here is the top90 and 100:

81-89
Lou Nova
Luis Firpo
Shannon Briggs
Paulino Uzcudun
Billy Miske
Ernie Shavers
Bob Satterfield
Mike Weaver
George Chuvalo
Tommy Farr

90-99
Denver Ed Martin
Leroy Haynes
Nino Valdes
Greg Page
Tommy Burns
Jimmy Braddock
Joe Choynski
Gunboat Smith
Lee Savold
Larry Donald

Read the rules on the first page. I'm only counting fighters active between 1900 and 1999, although i do take accomplishments outside of that into account if one spends a good amount of time between former mentioned limits. I didn't include currently active boxers, either (not counting officially active but not going to achieve anything anymore, like Holyfield and Tua).

 

Loewe:

I've moved Quarry down to promote Baer as you had them, and Ruiz up for Ibeabuchi, Hart up to demote Dokes, Braddock up and Firpo down.

Big Ukranian:

I can see where you're coming from, but it should be noted that Holmes, old or not, was a legit top10 contender after beating Mercer. And Maskaev, while he had only 6 pro fights, was already very good (he beat 21-0 Miroshnichenko in his pro debut), and not only that, but McCall stopped him
in the first round. A peak David Tua (top30 here), needed 11 rounds to stop him only one year later. A good win. McCall is one of those guys who learnt on the job and improved after his early losses.


That said, i did move Douglas up.


SuzieQ:

Like i said, this list has a resolution of 10 spots, i.e. there is no such thing as being "35" spots higher than someone. It goes per ten.

That aside: Satterfield (top90) in fact IS lower than Henry (top80). Baker is in the top60. I agree that Henry should rank higher than both of them, no idea why he is higher. I swapped their respective places.


Kenmore:

I've added Bugner (top100), at the cost of Larry Donald.


Dinner:

I've added Cooper (top80), i've gone over his record again and it's actually better than i remembered. Ranked in the ring top5 for three years and in the top10 for six years.


JohnThomas:

Dokes has more wins than just the Weaver TKO (even if it was suspicious). He beat Young in 1979 (still ranked in the top5), Cobb in 81 (ranked in the top10), and then Weaver who was #2 (with Dokes being #1).

I know that Weaver is a great guy to root for and who gave Holmes one hell of a fight, but what is HIS best win? Tate? Coetzee? Those were good wins, but on the flipside: he lost an awful lot of fights, not just early but during any stage of his career, although he did improve since the Holmes fight. But
i think Dokes' consistency against lesser opponents is praiseworthy, considering Weaver didn't come close to doing that.

However, Weaver was ranked in the top5 for three years based on the former mentioned wins until Dokes ruined the party, and since this is a consensus list, i'll move him up to the top70. If you think he should be higher or Dokes lower, let me know and a bit more details on why. :good


On Cooney:
I moved him down. I'm actually surprised it took this long for someone to think he's rated too high.

I thought he was.




That makes the new list to:


1-10
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
Joe Louis
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson

11-20
Riddick Bowe
Jack Dempsey
James Jeffries
Sonny Liston
Harry Wills
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Sam Langford
Bob Fitzsimmons
Floyd Patterson


21-30

Ingemar Johansson
Max Schmeling
Elmer Ray
Ken Norton
Oliver McCall
Max Baer
Jimmy Young
Archie Moore
Joe Jeannette
David Tua

31-40
Jerry Quarry
Gene Tunney
Sam Mcvey
Tim Witherspoon
Buster Douglas
Hasim Rahman
Chris Byrd
Pinklon Thomas
Primo Carnera
John Ruiz

41-50
Michael Spinks
Ike Ibeabuchi
Jack Sharkey
Jimmy Ellis
Ron Lyle
Tom Sharkey
Donovan Ruddock
Ray Mercer
Frank Bruno
Eddie Machen
Tommy Loughran


51-60
Michael Moorer
Marvin Hart
Harold Johnson
Oscar Bonavena
Clarence Henry
Rex Layne
George Godfrey
Arthuro Godoy
Jimmy Bivins
Corrie Sanders


61-70
Tony Tucker
Zora Folley
Roland LaStarza
Lee Murray
Bob Pastor
Ernie Terrel
Oleg Maskaev
Trevor Berbick
Michael Dokes
Tommy Morrison


71-80
Tony Tubbs
Tami Mauriello
Cleveland Williams
Harry Greb
Bob Baker
Larry Gains
Jack Renault
Fred Fulton
Jess Willard
Turkey Thompson
Henry Cooper



81-89
Lou Nova
Jimmy Braddock
Gerry Cooney
Paulino Uzcudun
Billy Miske
Ernie Shavers
Bob Satterfield
Mike Weaver
George Chuvalo
Tommy Farr

90-99
Denver Ed Martin
Shannon Briggs
Leroy Haynes
Nino Valdes
Greg Page
Tommy Burns
Luis Firpo
Joe Choynski
Gunboat Smith
Lee Savold
Joe Bugner