Looking for a consensus HW top100!

Heard of a fellow by the name of Vitali Klitschko?

 

And what did he do that was better what Ruiz and Byrd did? they beat better opponents than Vitali - who imo is alongside Tua and Ibeabuchi the most overated hw of the last 30 years.

 

This is a joke, right? Vitlai is much better than Ruiz or Byrd. You are aware that Tua and Ibeabuchhi who you called over rated did in fact badly KO both Ruiz and Byrd.

 

Sure but did they have a better resume? Nope, they do not. Tua may have a similar but neither Ibeabuchi or Klitschko should be rated highly bceause of their resume.
Wlad on the other hand is on the egde of becoming an atg and top20 hw. He tops both Ruiz and Byrd resume-wise.

 

You walked into a clean hook on that one--calling Tua and Ibeabuchi over rated, while saying Ruiz and Byrd were better.

Vitlai has a fine resume. His was champion by Ring magazine ( something neither Ruiz, nor Byrd was ), owns the all time KO%, was never floored by a punch, and has the best rounds won to rounds lost ratio in the history of heavyweight champions never being down on the score cards after 3 rounds

In addition, Vitlai has an ATG comeback, taking nearly 4 years off, over coming an injury, and pasting the #2 heavy in the world to win back a belt at age 37. Give the man some props, Vitlai should rate as top 20 right now.

I do agree with you that Wlad is there / almost there too.

 

Hook? My chin is iron, I didn´t even feel it
And what has that to do with resume :huh

Those 5 guys I would rank like this:
Byrd
Ruiz
Tua
Vitali
Ibeabuchi

Byrd and Ruiz would most likely make my Top40, Tua and Vitali my Top50, and Ibeabuchi maybe narrowly make the Top100. All purely on resume. If you take h2h into account than it may look different. I don´t do because that´s too much specualtion for my liking.

 

What has Byrd done to receive such a lofty ranking? Agreed on Ibeabuchi, but I don't know how you can rank Vitali lower than Byrd, Ruiz or Tua.

 

You don't like Vitlai. You felt nothing because you fail to see what you wrote was foolish even after I poitned it out. Whatever.

What does resume mean to you?

Vitlai is 6-2 in world title fights. I think that is a bit better record wise then Ruiz or Byrd if you choose to define legacy that way.

Head to head, Vitlai is much better and would be favored to defeat either Ruiz or Byrd. And like I said before in terms of ring records, Vitlai dwarfs both Ruiz and Byrd.

 

Well, let´s compare their Top5 wins:

Byrd:
Tua
Holyfield
Vitali
Williamson
McCline

Ruiz:
Holyfield
Rahman
Golota
Johnson
Tucker

Tua:
Ruiz
Moorer
Rahman
Maskaev
Izon/Oquendo

Vitali:
Peter
Williams
Donarld
Johnson
Sanders

Imo Ruiz, Byrd and Tua beat better fighters than Vitali.

 

I don´t like Vitali? I think the Klitschko´s are the best rolemodels we had in the hw scene since Patterson. We should be glad that we have them. Yeah I like Wlad more than Vitali but from all the hws at the moment I would ony pick Chagaev above Vitali in terms of liking outside of Wlad of course.

Ruiz and Byrd beat the better opponents. I agree h2h Vitali would beat Ruiz and Byrd and yeah his accomplishments are quite good but what do these records mean if they are accomplished largely against inferior opposition? Not as much anymore imo.

You are a nuthugger of Vitali, I´m not a fan but I like him and at least try to be objective. The Klitschkos are hated because of guys like you who overate them.

 

We need to get together and raise Super Greg into the next ten!!!!

 

It's a matter of opinion, but listing an ancient Holyfield as one of Byrd's best wins isn't saying much. He was also lucky to get the nod over the limited Oquendo and also against a rusty Golota. He was dominated by Wlad and losing handily against Vitali until the shoulder injury. The Tua win was good though.

Ruiz has done alright, but that devastatingly quick knockout loss to Tua really hurts him, as well as losing badly to Roy Jones, a much smaller man.


Tua has the best top 5 wins so far, but was a fairly limited if very powerul fighter overall. Still, I can't see Vitali struggling too much with the likes of Rahman or Maskaev, as Tua did. (Speculative, I know)

Vitali's competition hasn't been great admittedly, but he's only lost twice and once was due to injury. The other loss was to Lennox Lewis, and there's no shame in that.

 

Well, thing is the other three competed for a longer time at the top and fought better opponents. You may lose more if you do so but imo that does not count against you but is an indication of your will to fight the best.

I agree with Tua having the best wins though.

Also neither of the three ever avoided anyone, Ruiz and Byrd even tried to get a fight with Lennox while knowing they had no chance. And we all know of the story of Vitali - yeah, he is injury prone but his comeback gives me a bit of a sour taste when I look at the farce then.

 

Loewe doesn't seem to mention the above facts. Ruiz was Ko'd in 18 seconds, lost 2x to blow up middles ( drug tests or not ), beat Johnson vs DQ ( who Vital took out in two rounds ), beat an in the tank Rhaman, and a very old Holyfield. I suppose Ruiz beat Golota via close margin, but Golota still has not won a big fight.

Vitlai is far and away better than Ruiz.

 

Oh, Vitali is better I never would doubt that but Ruiz has the better resume and where Vitali underachieved Ruiz overachieved. Also Ruiz has better longevity at the top. Why don´t you mention these things?