Lora vs Zaragoza

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Tin_Ribs, Aug 16, 2010.


  1. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    I'm glad that this available online for folk to see. Proof in the pudding of what a superlatively talented and schooled operator Lora was when at his best. It's all there: the footwork, the defensive nous, the way that the jabs and hooks roll off his shoulders like second nature. Zaragoza gets completely outdone.


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtPhLjLEEbM[/ame]
     
  2. lora

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    Just a pity about the quality really.

    I think Miguel was a bit of an underachiever considering the natural talent he had, but still very few Bantamweights would have outboxed him at his best.

    One of the great punch slippers.
     
  3. Tin_Ribs

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    Yeah, the quality isn't the best. Still good enough to get a clear idea though.

    He seemed to fall from the top relatively quickly, all things considered. Would've been good to have seen him with a long enough peak to square off against the other Canizales, who I think he might have beaten.

    Regardless, it puts things into perspective when you watch Zaragoza against Morales over a decade later.
     
  4. Tin_Ribs

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    It's interesting to wonder as to how Lora would've gone on against the best of his predecessors and successors at the weight; the great fighters he could have either beaten or severely troubled.
     
  5. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I'll give some thoughts later on, or maybe tomorrow, but i doubt you'll get many replies.

    Lora is one of those fighters who was awesome, but only about 5 people at most actually give a **** about around here.
     
  6. Tin_Ribs

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    ;) Cheers.

    Truth be told I wasn't expecting all that many replies. Nay mind, I live in hope.
     
  7. Robot16

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    I have only seen happy lora fight against gabby canizales.

    Was he a big fav in that fight? Also what stage of his career was he in?
     
  8. Tin_Ribs

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    He'd lost the title by that point and his best days had gone IMO. He was the favourite to win though despite an apparent struggle to make the weight and dimming reflexes. The damage to his cervical vertebrae caused by Canizales probably finished what was left of his career at that point.
     
  9. Robot16

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    Ok thanks for the info
     
  10. El Bujia

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    Around this time in his career Lora would easily rank among the top 3-5 defensive specialists I've ever seen. Among the best counter-punchers as well. It's difficult to wrap your head around how such technical mastery can become seemingly second nature. His reaction timing was out of this world.
     
  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    The man makes Pernell Whitaker look one-dimensional. Does more than adequately with the straight right when forced to lead as well.

    I'm no expert on Lora and my knowledge of him is limited purely to trawling around YouTube and the like, but from what I've seen I wouldn't say he's quite a technical master Bujia - in fact, I think technical issues are in some respects possibly his kryptonite. He has a tendency towards complacency in spots (particularly offensively) and sometimes loks like he wants to counter everything, even when it's not really on, which sometimes manifests itself as a loss of balance or a wild swing or falling in for instance. He has the talent to get away with this against most, but vs. somebody like Zarate he could end up getting nailed and put away. The less flashy skills like shot selection, retaining poise while throwing etc. may look less impressive but are often what separates a great talent like Lora from a complete, controlled Napoles-esque stylist. Even if the Mayweathers of this world are less exciting to watch and inferior in terms of talent and skillset, that extra bit of professionalism goes a long way.

    He knows all the moves though.
     
  12. El Bujia

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    I can see where you're coming from, itry, but I disagree. He not only had great reaction timing, but technically his defensive repertoire and offensive shot selection were impeccable. Occasionally yes, as in the Zaragoza bout, he tended to go a little counter-happy, but not to any kind of fault, as his defensive skills would always put him in a position to slip or roll an incoming counter almost instantly after throwing a punch.
     
  13. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Shot selection was probably the wrong term on second thoughts; it's part of the counter-puncher's instinct to know where the opening is and how to exploit it and Lora was as good as any at that. I was talking more in terms of knowing when to throw the shot - not timing, but knowing when it's appropriate, like.
     
  14. Tin_Ribs

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    I sort of agree with Bujia on this one where Lora's overall technical mastery is concerned. Before I'd actually ever watched him, the impression I'd been given was that his talents were more nurture than nature if you like. Watching him, however, displays (to me at least) that they were both: innate motor skills and reflexes tuned by precise training. The comment about him being one of the greatest of all the defensive masters isn't far out.

    Interesting observations on Zarate though itrymariti. You think that Zarate is the blueprint to success when it comes to exploiting any *****s in Lora's armour? (I bet that one particular word in the previous sentence get's struck off due to the mods thinking that I now hate all Oriental people).
     
  15. Tin_Ribs

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    Hee hee, I was right. What an incorrigable racialist xenophobe turd I am.