Lorenzo : Velasquez vs Mir in the works

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by thewinfella, Feb 17, 2012.


  1. Stoo

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    Id still fancy Mir to get his shots off 1st in an exchange, whether Frank's chin can hold up to the counter or rock Cain enough himself will be the telling factor
     
  2. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Either way, I'm pretty certain this will be a kickboxing match. I think it would be silly for Cain to even test the ground in this one. Has he ever been on the ground with a guy like Mir? The best submission guys that he has fought have been Nog and Stojnic, both of which he just beat up on the feet. He beat Stojnic up on the ground after his beating in the first, but then again, he isn't exactly a Mir level ground wizard.
     
  3. Stoo

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    Agree'd, I think the only was this ends up on the mat is if, or rather when, someone gets knocked down.

    No, Cain is still VERY green at this stage in terms of having delt with different styles, he's had no one, except Nog, with any kind of high level MMA Jits in his skill set as Mir does
     
  4. Anarchy99

    Anarchy99 Babalu will KILL You! Full Member

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    Mir has been working ALOT on his wrestling.... I'm sure it'll mean nothing in this fight discussion but its food for thought.
     
  5. horst

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    I don't think Cain is a great kickboxer, but I think he is competent enough to capitalize on Mir's rubbish chin. I don't see this being a long fight at all. Velasquez TKO Mir.
     
  6. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Velasquez is the more natural striker of the two , he's more athletic , he's quicker , he's much much fitter and stronger , his combination's are some of the best in world HW MMA (for a non striker) , generally speaking he's just a superior fighter

    Mir's stand up is ok , technically very sound , and he's comfortable there , the one thing Mir cannot do , is fight a high paced fight , Velasquez will overwhelm Mir very quickly with work rate alone , Mir's stand up is more a point scoring style of kick boxing , he doesnt twist his hips into either his kicks or punches , he doesnt ever look to over commit to knocking some one out or hurting them , and because its MMA he gets away with it

    Velasquez does , his technique is very sound , his leg kicks are very clean and quick , the way he puts his combo's together just shows signs of constant improvement , his movement alone will have Mir in fits :deal

    On the ground i beleive Velasquez to be very very capable , remember the guys been with Dave Camarillo for 5 years (who speaks highly of Cain's grappling skills), that alone is enough to suggest's he's gonna be ok on the ground , besides Frank Mir will " unequivocally not " put Velasquez on his back :deal , that i would safely bet my mortage on , and while Mir has been dangerous off his back in his career , he's also been vulnerable

    This will not be a fight , it will be a massacre !!!!
     
  7. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    He never has been and never will be a wrestler

    He does not posess the athletesism or the cardio to ever be a wrestler , he's a grappler who can kick box
     
  8. No Fear

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    Two blokes with questionable whiskers, duking it out. The only thing we can say for certain is that someone is getting KTFO :deal
     
  9. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    I love fights in which both sides of the tilt are occupied by Glass Jaws. This comes down to who lands first and I think Velasquez's speed and wrestling ability make him the guy to do it. If he's smart he won't even give Mir a chance to land a lucky shot and will instead shatter his Frangible Mandible on the mat.
     
  10. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    :lol::lol::good
     
  11. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    I'm no UFC expert but I too think Velasquez takes this one. While Velasquez does have a glass jaw Mir's is even worse and Velasquez is more skilled overall anyways
     
  12. Hoshi

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    This I will watch. Mir will not make it out of the first. Hes very dangerous from his back but he isnt good at tieing people up in his guard. Hes been destroyed plenty from this position.

    Although to see him in with JDS would be sweet!

    Either way Mir gets TKO'd in the first. Hes so slow.
     
  13. afterglow

    afterglow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just curious.

    How does Cain have a glass jaw?

    That shot that dropped him against JDS would have dropped anyone.

    Being hit behind the ear will **** you up.
     
  14. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    He's not what you would call granite chinned is he ???
     
  15. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mir is chinny but seems to be able lock in sick submissions on auto pilot. So if you drop him, you better ask for him to be stood up. Diving on him to GNP him has been the undoing of many fighters in the past.