Losses you really just don't take into count at all?

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  1. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What are some losses in a career for a fighter you barely even count or care for due to robbery, age, injury etc..
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    Personal one for me is Foreman vs Briggs, scored that multiple times and still don't know how Briggs won really at all, whenever bringing up Foremans losses and hear Briggs its almost laughable.
     
  2. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Robberies,
    Stepping Up a Division or two, especially when it is drastically beyond you're Natural Stature.
    Rookie/Early years losses - expected
    End of Career losses, again, expected.

    off nights, when the evidence or commentary also states as much.

    loads of valid reasons for 2cd best performance, much more legitimate in Past Era's, less so today...

    I mean if a fighter only has a 30 Fight Career, with all the time & allowances readily at hand for fight preparations, then some of the above realities aren't as much a factor.

    but Yes, there Are Legitimate Reasons for a loss and they are mostly recognized for most fighters when the same such realities are Reported!
     
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  3. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Another personal example is Jimmy Ellis, for the beginning and the end of his career I could barely consider them. Honestly I couldn't even tell you the losses he had at middleweight if there was a gun to my head.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Briggs outlanded Foreman on power punches by a wide margin. If you score power punches instead of Briggs being winded, you can come up with a scorecard for Briggs.
     
  5. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess so, but for me, I don't base it off purely numbers alone.
     
  6. Omega74

    Omega74 Member Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali vs. Holmes / Berbick
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Anything where I think the fighter was so far removed from their prime, that it has little bearing on their prime performance.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Sam Langford lost some fights while he was basically blind. NP JD lost some fights while drunk. Scott Harrison lost to Liam Walsh ten years after his prime; I don't care.

    Stuff like that.
     
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  9. Jason Gordon

    Jason Gordon Active Member banned Full Member

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    Roy Jones losses after the Glen Johnson fight. He was a corpse.
     
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  10. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Ricky Hatton vs Senchenko

    James Degale v Caleb Truax and Chris Eubank - He was a ghost of himself after the Badou Jack war

    George Groves v Callum Smith - Groves was patched up and rushed back with a completely ****ed shoulder, looked terrible on the scales as well

    Ali v Holmes and Berbick - Not much really needs to be said here
     
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  11. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The last 2-3 yrs of Ali's career.
    Leonards losses to Camacho, Norris.
    Jones Jr losses after 2004.
    Robinson's losses after 1958
    Louis after 1949-50
    But really most great fighters stayed around
    to long. It's easy to see the difference from
    their best years and weight to their last
    gasp years and weight when they're clearly
    diminished.
     
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  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes getting robbed against Spinks II. Holmes was a two-time champion in my eyes.

    Foreman beat Briggs, a far bigger robbery than the above.
     
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  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They weren’t bad, really:

    Majority decision to George Benton.

    Split decision to Don Fullmer.

    Decisions to Henry Hank, Ruben Carter and Holly Mims (he avenged the Mims loss in a rematch).
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I only count Duran's victories and none of his losses after 1979.
     
  15. Tug Wilson Tactics

    Tug Wilson Tactics Member Full Member

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    Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Tom Sharkey I.

    Fitz hit him with his trademark solar plexus punch and Sharkey curled up in a fetal position like a big girl. Sharkey then started holding to himself as if he were hit below the belt, as a last-ditch effort to win the fight. Wyatt Earp, the washed-up gunslinger turned referee, saw this and exclaimed "what in tarnationnnnnnn" and stopped the fight and awarded it to Tom Sharkey on a foul. Most of the attendants didn't even see a low-blow, and Wyatt Earp left the venue in a real hurry to avoid the wrath of the people who had put their money on Fitzsimmons. The selection of Earp as the referee in and of itself was a conspiracy that defied all belief.

    Sharkey let most of his cornermen massage his balls, but conveniently refused to let a physician check him out after the fact.
     
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