Lost even more respect for MAnny after this win

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by jjnight, Nov 24, 2013.


  1. DABOZ

    DABOZ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They are still waiting for Floyd's ( ball/balls ) to reappear.
     
  2. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's cause both JMM and Bradley passed on career high purses from Pac, so you go down the list.
     
  3. jjnight

    jjnight Active Member Full Member

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    No man, I am not telling him to act a fool, but if you guys will blame Floyd all day for ducking Manny. But the truth is, Floyd is the ALI, or Sugar Ray of our time, back then everybody wanted to fight them. I tired of them not fighting each other, and Manny need stop acting like a *****!
     
  4. pacman.

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    I don't think Pac boxed beautifully tbh. He boxed well, but that was maybe 70% of what Pacquiao's got/had.

    I've been thinking about this and tbh, I don't think he will really mentally recover and get the happiness and flair back in his boxing unless he gets to avenge that brutal KO to Marquez.

    No matter what Manny says, that will mentally deflate him til he gets to put it right.

    I think that's what was missing from his performance the other night. Couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but on reflection, listening to him post fight etc, I think that's simply what it is. He needs Marquez V, and a win to get it out of his system. He'll never forget that otherwise.
     
  5. boyschoir

    boyschoir Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9V1wkNKxGs

    acting like a *****? :rofl

    :lol::hi:
     
  6. pacman.

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    I've always said and I maintain that with regard to Floyd vs Manny, and why the fight has not and maybe will not happen, it's a question of mentality. Of how you judge men.

    Not how you judge boxing.

    If you honestly believe that, of the two of them, it's Manny whose ego would be most affected by a loss on his record, and to whom this represents a bigger gamble, then honestly, I think you are naive.

    Manny gets told who he will fight by his trainer. Nobody tells Floyd who he will fight because nobody could put Floyd in that position. If the fight isn't a definite win in his mind, he won't touch it.

    I'd imagine from Roach's perspective, a Floyd fight priority list would go:

    1. How much money can we make

    2. How can/can we beat him.

    For Floyd, it'd be the other way around.

    I'm not saying he can't beat Manny, but that to this day, especially when Pacquiao was tearing up the divisions, Floyd never got a clear read on him.

    If he did, believe me, I would put my life on it, he'd have taken the opportunity to show the world how easily he could deal with this new megastar of boxing, and in the process, cement his reputation and his legacy.

    Floyd would never, ever, have missed an opportunity like that.
     
  7. pacman.

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    Wow... I've never seen that video of Floyd... but it speaks volumes.

    He's basically saying Manny Pacquiao can't be real. His punching power, his ability to rip through fighters... there's got to be some mysterious power at work.... it must be drugs.

    It's as glowing a review of Pacquiao's work as you could find on the planet. From the man himself. I don't know how any right minded person could argue Floyd actually wants any part of Pacquiao after watching that.

    Believe me, when Pacquiao finally slides. When there are clear signs of weakness.... suddenly drugs won't be an issue. Guaranteed.
     
  8. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The problem is your ok with #1 and not wanting your guy to fight the best but who BOB ARUM says??
     
  9. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lifetime ban bet, *****?
    I post a video with Pac saying he's willing to fight Mayweather then you leave this forum for good?

    Go on, I will wait for while you look for your balls. In the mean while, get Floyd's nuts of your mouth so you can go search for 'em balls.
     
  10. jjnight

    jjnight Active Member Full Member

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    I first one to say that you bring up great points. And I agree that clottey beat Cotto imo. Good comparison of their common opponents but you also have to look at the circumstances of those fights.

    1. Mayweather fought De La Hoya at light. Middle Weight and was Mayweather first fight at the weight.

    2. Mosley - When Mayweather fought him, he had just came off a knockout victory of STONE-Gloves cheater....MArgarito and Mosley was the welterweight champ at the time. When Pac fought him he was coming off a loss to Mayweather and a DRAW to Sergio MORA (Who nis terrible). So how in the heck was Mosley deserving of that fight, Pac was at his best during that time.

    3. Cotto - When Pac fought Cotto, he got stoned like in biblical times by Margarito. And they fought at a catch weight below the welterweight limit. But overall, great win for Pac. When Mayweather fought Cotto, it was at his weight class (light MW) and he was off three wins and it was for the WBC belt.

    4. Hatton - When Mayweather beat him, he was undefeated and they fought in his hometown. Mayweather whipped him so good, that he went and hired Floyds father to train him. When Pac beat him, it was a great win but under different circumstances, Hatton had been knockout and we know fighters are different after their first career loss and really different after their first knockout.

    What next for Pac, he only has two choices, he can fight bradley or Mayweather. Alverez is just too big for him and I dont beleive it would be a good fight to have him attempt to make 147.

    I miss the old days of boxing, when boxer really gave a **** about proving that their the best fighter in the world. When Ray Leonard was the biggest attraction in the sport, he wanted to fight the fighters like Hearns, Fist of Stone, MAyweather Sr, and when he didn't want to fight Haggler made it well known he wanted to fight him. And it eventually happen!


    If Pac fights anybody other than Bradley or Mayweather, then he is scaming the sport of boxing. If he do not want to fight Mayweather, then he should retire, there is nothing more he needs to do in sports. But if he fights another Brandon Rios, and charge us $70 then you know he full of ****! But he is a great guy!
     
  11. lobk

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    So unless Pac calls out a guy, a guy that he has many times called out before, you lost respect for him? Pac stated exactly what reality is in that he will fight whoever his promotion company can make a fight happen with. He knows it pointless to say I want Floyd when the world already knows he does. The world also knows, at least intelligent people, that a fight with Floyd has a zero chance of happening because of the organization the two boxers belongs to. So Pac said the right thing because when it is all said and done his fight can and will only happens if the promotional companies come to term. If you are to stupid to see facts and think empty boasting and yelling makes a fighter then you need to stop watching boxing and watch WWE.
     
  12. jjnight

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    Guerrero and Ortiz were way better AT THE TIME of THIER FIGHT THEN Rios. Both of then were active fighters in the WW division and made big names for their self with impressive wins. Ortiz had beat the **** out of Berto (Who was really not in the WW division at the time). Guerrero was on a eight fight winning streak and Ortiz was on a 5 fight win streak and draw.

    Manny went down a weight division and fought a walking punch bag who was coming off a loss. That was Rios first fight at the weight division. SMH


    Man the truth is the truth.
     
  13. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have no problem with boxers letting the appropriate people do the matchmaking. That's what they are there for. Most boxers don't have the time or expertise to do it all themselves. There's no guarantee that the fighters promoter doesn't want them to fight the best. The Pacquiao/Mayweather fight failed to materialize years ago so I don't see why it would now so I don't expect Manny to call Floyd out. I don't see Floyd calling Manny out. I've seen articles quoting Mayweather saying he has no interest/wouldn't fight Pacquiao. This is just a hater thread.
     
  14. jjnight

    jjnight Active Member Full Member

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    The truth is that Bradley got the win. The fight was a very close fight if you ignore the HBO groupie announcers. I think the fight was extremely close. I think it could of went either way man and that is my opinion.



    But if you really think about it, Look at Pac's record. The only fighters he fought in their PRIME was Bradley which he lost, Rios who should not of been able to share the ring with Manny and maybe Morales in their first fight which he lost.
     
  15. jjnight

    jjnight Active Member Full Member

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    Pac did better, how? Floyd is 45-0. Pac is 55-5(3 ko's). Pac was menetion as pound for pound why Roy Jones was in his prime, where was Manny? To be honest, Pac should have at least more L's on his record by JMM which he was awarded undeserved victories. When FMJ fought Hatton, he was undefeated champion, when he fought ODLH they were fighting at Light MW (he was weight drained in the WW division against and they fought at a catch weight when he fought PAc and Cotto was a great win for Pac although he catch weighted Cotto!