Lost Respect for U.S.S Cunningham

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Chris Eubank grew up with nothing, and became a toff.

Why?

Watch "When Louis Theroux met Chris Eubank"

A certain Mr Eubank Jr, is also on the doc, looking about 12 and asking his dad if he can box.

 

Is that the face of a man convinced? I think so

 

If thats really the case then any sport, or in fact anything at all that requires guts and determination will have someone from the mean streets at the pinnacle.....Im sorry, but I don't buy it.

 

Darts blows your argument out of the water....I had to think about it but got there. Those blimps have never seen veg never mind eaten it :deal

 

It's an interesting debate, Michael Johnson the sprinter once claimed that he had a genetic advantage that he believed he was born with more athletic genes because of slavery.

He said that because only the big strong africans were selected to work by the slave traders, and that the weaker africans would have died on the boat or in the fields, that those who were left to breed were genetically big strong and athletic and that was obviously heightened over a few hundred years.

This has pretty much been scientifically disproven but people do still believe it to be a contributory factor in the success of black sports stars, although a better explanation is that naturally africans have a higher rate of metabolism and also have "fast twitch fibres" whereas white Europeans have "slow twitch fibres" which make them slower overall.

In regards to people from poorer back grounds having more motivation to succeed, that's a strong possibility. If you come from a middle class back ground and have gained a law degree, you're hardly likely to think "I think I'd rather get up at 5am and run until I'm sick then eat chicken and pasta dry for 6 weeks, then get punched in the face for a couple of grand instead of doing my £100k per annum desk job" but someone who has an option of an unskilled manual job, committing crime or being a boxer may well opt for the latter.

In regards to tennis it is mostly played by middle classes because it is quite expensive to have tennis lessons and it's traditionally a popular sport with the middle and upper classes whereas football, boxing etc. are not.

 

I think most PROPER champions have had to learn the hard way at some point in their lives. There are champions inside and outside of the ring. The unsung champions of real life who hold no belt.

They need that stage of life, to be able to prove to themselves, confirm something to themselves, to progress, that they have been down there in the doldrums and rose like a phoenix from the ashes. Its not just a battle in the ring, its a battle inside the human, the very best tend to be those that realize that earlier than the rest.

In my opinion and experience, you have to go there to come back, you need to learn what hard feels like, you need to taste defeat, it toughens you up inside and out, you are what you have learned in life, experiences, what you have seen, felt, you are everything before you, and you need to see it, touch it, smell it, feel it, you need to see the good as well as the bad, to be able to rise through, shine at the top and be better than everyone else in the ring. In life we become complete, and all these stages are necessary, some we don't like, but we have no choice. We learn something everyday of our lives, that never stops, no matter what situation we find ourselves in, no matter what struggle or adversity we face, human spirit is above all. It's why we are still here living on this very planet today.

That's why Chris Eubank sent his own son to learn the hard way, to see how much he really wants it. Do you think it was out of hate or dislike? Or to harm, upset or hurt his own blood? Not at all, Chris Eubank knows you need to learn the hard way to become a champion. If you don't, you fall by the wayside, just like all the rest, you join a long list that have failed before true success in the sport. Some believe they are already there, and never amount to nothing.

You need solid grounding and foundations. You need to KNOW what its like, not think, you need to be able to sympathize with those who are on the same path you yourself went down.

I guarantee you, all undefeated fighters have tasted defeat in life, thats why they do everything not to taste it again in the ring. It breeds a will to win so strong, something inside deep down, so strong, and a will to not taste defeat again where they feel most in control of avoiding it.

You cannot separate Boxing and Life, they are one and the same.

Thats why most people who know **** about boxing. Love the sport. They realize its not just two men who hate each other beating the **** out of each other, people see it as a form of art, these people realize the struggles these fighters have had to go through to get where they are. You can relate to the fighter and the path they walk down. Its about respect. Its about life.

 

Have to cut Cunningham a bit of slack. He's had a rough deal lately, with the Adamek decision and then fighting well against Fury for the most part before eventually being overwhelmed by a physical freak who is very mobile for a such a big man (he almost fought inside like a middleweight in there at times) So that's two tough losses in a row that are gnawing away at him.

 

That doesn't explain why Jamaicans, Americans & T&T's are far superior compared to athletes from the likes of Senegal, Gambia, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Nigeria, Benin, Sierra Leone, Togo, Ghana, Congo and Angola.

The only 100m Olympic medal winners to hail from Africa are South African, **** all relevance to the west. The survival of the fittest theory cannot be pure coincidence, otherwise how do you explain the lack of west African success in 100m finals?

It's fascinating. We've successfully bred Horses to be unbeatable (Frankel, Black Caviar et al) and dogs for every purpose possible. We're more or less one and the same so why wouldn't it occur in humans?

It's only science, the Furys alluded to Tyson's pedigree and how they knew either him or one of his siblings would go on to be a champion fighter because of the gene line.

I'm quite sure that you could successfully 'breed' a human to smash Bolt's record or create a footballer better than Messi. Imagine a Mike Tyson/Wlad hybrid.

 

Imagine?

We already have one!

Audley Harrison. :deal

 

It's less about coming from hunger than feeling you have to prove yourself. Ray Leonard was a millionaire as soon as he turned professional, yet look at his grit and fire. He felt he had to prove himself to himself. The perception that he had a silver spoon made him even more ferocious. Ray was a mean mother****er. Look how he took out Hearns once he had him going.

It's just likely that the kids from richer backgrounds go into more affluent sports, like tennis or golf.

 

I don't pretend to understand it all to be honest but it is fascinating. One explanation is that in the caribbean and america there is more structure in place to recognise athletes and other cultural reasons probably contribute slightly too.

You often hear people complain that the Kenyan long distance runners win all the time because they have an unfair advantage of being born at a high altitude and therefore their lungs require less oxygen to function but they have equally high altitudes in Bolivia and they don't seem to do too well at long distance running!

At what point does a natural advantage, if it's proven to exist, make it an uneven playing field in professional sport? The sprinter back in the 30's Stella Walsh was intersex but lived as a woman and competed for Poland as a sprinter in the Olympics and won gold. Then after she died an autopsy revealed she was intersex and posessed both genitalia but had lived as a woman her entire life. She wouldn't have been allowed to compete in the women's events had they known, but then she wouldn't have really been able to compete in the mens either really!

In the year 2384 we will probably be growing genetically perfect athletes in test tubes then fast tracking through, like the best parts of Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Wlad, Tyson etc. with the speed of Usain Bolt and the agility of Bruce Lee!

 

John Fury's stare alone would have sent them all running for the hills

 

I think you have to cultivate your own underdog mentality in any sport. You have to have a fire to succeed that can be from being dirt poor and have nothing else. It can also be a perceived inequality, its all relative.

Things other than being poor or where you are from motivate you to become a competitor. It can be to prove parents right/wrong it can be to show you belong in a particular class/group, there are lots of things.

 

Cunningham's acted like a surly dick throughout this fight. Fury really nettled him good and proper. I've still got a bit of sympathy for him considering some of the nonsense he's had to go through, but I can't deny that he turned me off him with the way he's acted.