"Lost to the best fighter they fought"

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It is an unwritten rule that if you beat somebody you devalue them, and if you lose to them, then their stock goes up.

    This makes me wary of saying that a fighter who beat a faded champion, was better than everybody that champion beat in their prime.
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Holyfield is a good example of how this can be misleading.

    For example you could argue that George Foreman and Larry Holmes were the best that he fought, but that he came up against them when they were past their primes.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I'm pretty confident "best" takes into account career stage and peak quotient.
     
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  4. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Floyd is shot to **** and he's taking one last big payday against a fellow shot to **** ATG. He's 40 and inactive, he obviously couldn't compete with Crawford at this point, some people are just desperate to see him beat. Same people who insist he should fight GGG, but GGG shouldn't have had to step up himself to fight Ward or Froch (I don't dislike GGG, but Floyd took way more risks)

    I agree there was a bit of carefullness in his matchmaking, but he went from Super Feather to Light Middleweight, beating a lot of top fighters across those divisions
     
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  5. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    And when those rare occasions do actually happen, people don't even agree whether both fighters are actually in their primes or not.
     
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  6. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes that is what attracts critics to Lennox.
    He did however avenge both and there is zero doubt that he was superior to both fighters that initially beat him.
     
  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He beat the top guy in 4 of the 5 divisions. That's a pretty good ratio.
     
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  8. red_roo

    red_roo Active Member Full Member

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    Good fighter's that have a loss , is needed sometimes .
     
  9. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Frazier. Only losses were to Ali and Foreman, the two best fighters he faced.
     
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  10. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because Frazier had only 37 fights .Otherwise Frazier couldn't beat the bum Cummings.
     
  11. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier was almost 38 and had been out of the ring for 5 1/2 years when he fought Cummings. That fight shouldn't really count against him.
     
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  12. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Though since he did have a win over Ali, I'd say he went either way, rather than lost.