Lou Ambers on a pound-for-pound list

Thats because your a Hagler hater (you only have look at your threads, constantly starting threads about, this guys better than Hagler, Hagler should'nt be in the top 40 blah, blah, blah, same bull**** everytime)

Hagler is great as any fighter in history, he could do everyting, the true defintion of an all rounder, and a Hd 2 Hd beast.

Marvellous Marvin was a bad mother****er end of story.

 

I actually always thought of Manassa as a bit of a Hagler fan.

 

Yes i would have no problem rating Hagler over those 3 legends. Id even go so far as to say that i have Hagler in my top 20 atg.

Hagler
Napoloes
Olivares
Ortiz

 

Certainly not.. I just don't think Ambers is on that level to be honest.

 

I would broadly agree on this I think the Lightweights are the deepest division of all ,in terms of talent .That 's why I rate Benny Leonard so highly.
I still don't Ambers that high though.

 

Manassa is a temendous Hagler fan.

 

Burt brought up Lou in a one page thread back on February 28, where Stoney and I weighed in. (Posts #8 & 9 respectively):

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6213191#post6213191

 

Exactly:good Althoug i think i had Ambers in my top 10 lw:huh Been a loong time though since i did that list.

Hagler is top 3 no lower than 4 at MW.

 

I believe his lists only consider post-Walker Law fighters (i.e. guys that hit their peak/were in their prime after the inception of the Walker Law).

 

I'm pretty sure Hagler is one of his favorite fighters.

 

Nope, purely on the fact I do not know enough about Amber's whether to justify it or deny it.

He is probably a fighter that should be higher regarded than he is just now, as he was overshadowed by the likes of Ross, Armstrong, canzoneri etc..

 

Lack of footage on his best performances is a problem.

He fought a war against Armstrong, a war he seemingly got the worst of if not for the penalized rounds. Canzoneri schooled him in their first fight, and Ambers surely learned his lessons. In the Armstrong fight he seemingly had to fight a different style from usual due to Armstrong's relentless pressure, and against Canzoneri he looks hungry and determined but lacking the skills of his more experienced opponent.

 

Keep in mind that I'm not even asking that question because "greatness" isn't something that can be sensibly conceptualized.

What is greatness? I don't know and you don't either.

We'd have a better idea of things like experience, longevity, dominance, durability, and the like. "Greatness" then becomes clearer. I'm scoring by categories and I'm really, really trying not to go back and switch scores because such-and-such "can't" be greater than such-and-such. I will and have switched scores upon an argument that overcomes mine.