Louis and Frazier fight 10 times. How often does Joe bomb him out like Foreman?

Didn't say he was totally shot Mr Magoo, because after revisiting the 1973 title defense, Frazier did OK for the first minute and landed some good shots against Foreman. He was far from the prime condition he exuded against Foster, Ellis and Ali though. What happened next was almost pure abandonment by Mercante to enforce the rules. No other ref would have allowed Foreman's wrestling tactics, and no other ref would have allowed Archie Moore to stand on the apron in the middle of the action. Frazier stopped punching and looked like he was walking to a neutral corner while Moore was trying to get the refs attention. Foreman took advantage of Joe turning his back and proceeded to land big, heavy shots.

I will say that Frazier's downfall against Foreman is in large part his own fault. Eddie Futch described Frazier's Jamaica training camp as "one big party" and he was worried about Joe potentially gettting beat by a young, strong, ambitious big puncher that Foreman was. Still, it would be hard to convince me that Foreman would KO the FOTC Joe Frazier or the champion from 1968.

 

Joe Louis at his best beats Joe Frazier at least 9 times out of 10. Usually by early-mid round knockout.

 

Joe Louis was lightning fast and had one punch KO power with either hand ... I view him as a terrible match up for Frazier who I also love. I see Louis stopping him inside of five ... a brutal KO as well ...

 

louis and foreman are nowhere near the same fighters so what foreman did to frazier doesn't mean louis will. foreman threw his shots from further distance, louis like to be up close like frazier did. louis won't be set to throw loads of shots on frazier. frazier will be on him constantly hitting like henry armstrong. no fighter likes that much pressure.

 

It really depends on so many factors.

Let's say Frazier wins the first fight. This would give Louis all the drive he needs to really come at Joe in the second fight.

However, if Louis wins the first one, he may be more patient next time round, and Frazier would be extra motivated. The chances of a blowout are remote here, imo.

To be honest though, I don't really see Louis bombing Frazier out at all; at least not in the way Foreman did. Don't get me wrong, I can see Louis winning his fair share by stoppage or maybe even knockout, but bombing Frazier out?

I can't see it happening.

 

How many punches did Mercante land on Frazier?

 

Excellent. Agree 100% on all points made.

Prime Frazier beats Louis and also Foreman, assuming a good refereeing job.

 

I agree that Frazier would beat Louis, but I don't see him ever beating Foreman, strict referee or not.

 

When Louis decided on an early night he was probably as good at getting an early stoppage as anybody in history.

He only went for an early finish if he regarded an oponent as a threat eg Schmeling, Buddy Baer.

Certainly a possible scenario.

 

I see the absolute prime Frazier (which was in '69 and '70, imo) getting past those critical early rounds against Foreman, getting inside George's punching radius , laying his head on George's chest, and from rounds 4 on wearing George down with body shots. In a battle of attrition, Frazier wins by knockout in 10. Even George later said that he knew he must win early, or Frazier would wear him down.

All this depends on a ref that would put an end to the pushing off.....Frazier has to be able to get inside George's punching radius in order to win the fight.

 

Well, I do agree that Louis would have had a fairly early night against the prime Smokin' Joe Frazier of '69-'70.

Not by his choice, however.

 

If Frazier dreams it he better wake up and apologize.

 

Again I love Frazier but I think some of you guys are crazy ... Frazier was a slow starter. Louis could come out like lightning. I happen to think not only was Louis a much faster puncher than Foreman, I think he was a better puncher than Foreman. I think he would take Frazier out . No one who gets hit and is a slow starter matches up well against Louis.

FYI: All these reference to Louis as small, watch the tape of Frazer/Quarry 2. Louis is the ref and he makes both guys look like Pigmys ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKS806fHWws

 

I honestly believe it would be a matter of who got to who first. On paper louis looks like the winner. He had superior boxing skills, power and hand speed.

However, he also had a c-grade chin and slow feet, two deficiencys that could be exploited by frazier. I could see him catching and hurting louis with the hook and even flooring him.

I think that while it could go either way, I would give louis the edge. The impact of him punches would be doubled as louis came in, which would become too much for frazier to take. I say that louis wins at least 7 out of 10.

 

I personally think Frazier would smash Louis to bits.