Louis and Frazier fight 10 times. How often does Joe bomb him out like Foreman?

And what is Louis going to do as Frazier swarms in ? He will fire back with killer shots that will take Frazier's head off ... who are the swarmers who gave him such trouble ? Godoy fought a ridiculous fight in their first encounter and while he frustrated Louis with his near Jimmy Young style tactics, he did not come close to winning ... Joe went to the body in the rematch and destroyed him .. Appearances aside Galento was a 230 pound bull with one punch KO power for 5 or six rounds and Louis ripped his head off. Many here are simply forgetting just how exceptional a fighter Louis was ... it is amusing though ...

 

If anyone blows the other away it would be Frazier blowing away Louis in 3 or 4 rounds. It all boils down to style and I think Joe would stand a better chance of taking out Louis quicker than Louis would Joe. With Frazier's constant head movement and busy hands he could nullify Louis' straight punches while at the same time whipping hooks to Joe's body and head. Frazier is Godoy squared as far as busier hands and fast pressure is concerned and he would be more difficult to hit cleanly than Schmeling was. With that being said I still think that Louis would have a few stoppages if they met 10 times. If louis can time Joe's head movement and catch him with a couple of hard shots then he could hurt him and stop him in say 5 or 6 rounds but it wouldn't be easy. In the end both would have their share of KO's...Frazier early and Louis a little later. I don't see many (if any) of these fights going the distance though.

 

Nothing is forgotten. I just think Frazier was pretty damn good as well.

 

I don't believe that any version of Fraziier would have had much chance against George.

He was all wrong for George.

He was always a come-forward type of fighter and very durable, but that George (pre Ali) would have landed on Frazier early and often and the result would have been the same.


Frazier at 29, had not declined noticeably from FOTC, less than two years earlier.

He still had wins over Bugner, Quarry and Ellis in his future, not to mention to more competitive fights with Ali.

But he never had the right style for Foreman.





I would pick Louis to win most of the ten. Maybe eight or nine.

 

I really don't get this notion of Frazier being a slow starter.

Sure, it's absolutely believable, when compared to Ali, but when compared to anyone else it doesn't make sense. I'd say Frazier is more vulnerable in the early rounds which has nothing to do with him being a slow starter. There's a difference between being a slow starter in the early rounds and being vulnerable in the early rounds. Don't tell me Frazier was a slow starter after watching the pace he set in the FOTC against Ali and how it accelerated through the middle rounds. There are very few champions or contenders that would be able to handle Frazier's pressure for the early rounds of a fight before he gets in close and works the body.

George Foreman never had to face this version of Frazier because Joe was well past his prime shape. Nobody should deny either, Mercante's job in this fight, which was bad at best. NO other referee would allow Foreman to grab both of Frazier's shoulders and shove him aside to create punching room. That's not boxing, it's wrestling, and Foreman did this more than once in the first round.

Louis wouldn't be able to handle prime Frazier's pace and body attack. I think it's a safe bet that Louis may land some sharp combinations early and might have Frazier in trouble or on the canvas early in a fight. Louis is not stopping Frazier and gets knocked out himself well before the 10th round.

 

Styles wouldn't make a difference, and Foreman's bigger body gives prime Frazier a much bigger target. There's no way Foreman lands the same shots he did in 1973 against the Frazier of 1968 - 1970. Frazier would make him miss a lot more punches and would certainly slow George down, landing to the body.

I believe the Frazier of 1968 - 1970, stands a much better chance at making it to the middle rounds against Foreman. It is still a big IF which is justified because George took care of Frazier and destroyed him inside two rounds the first time. One thing that is forgotten though is the conditioning of Frazier, which was markedly inferior to the conditioning he exuded PRE-FOTC to FOTC. Foreman never had to deal with a prime Frazier coming at him after the early rounds attacking his body.

 

Agreed.

Louis would most likely go anywhere from round 5 to round 9 against Frazier. He would not be able to stand up to prime Frazier's relentless pressure. He could well hurt Joe early, but once Joe gets in and stays in the body punching would take effect and the head shots would follow.

It is laughable that some bring in Galento and Godoy as examples of swarmers that Louis handled, in order to project on how Louis would deal with Frazier. Frazier is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT form of swarmer. A different galaxy, if you will. Lol.

Louis never saw the kind of BUZZSAW swarm that '67-'70 Frazier brought to the table.

Never.

 

On the contrary, I think that this is the ONLY thing that really does matter in a Foreman vs Fazier matchup.

Oh sure, like Frazier was really the type of fighter to stand back, use the ring and pick out his shots.. Sorry, but this simply isn't the case. His bobbing and weaving style made a perfect target for a Foreman upper cut, and believe me it wouldn't matter if the guy was 20 years old, or 29...

Where exactly do you think he'd go?

Perhaps.

True to some extent.

And Frazier was well unaccustomed to facing a truly elite puncher who was capable of standing right in front of him and bombarding him with ferocious shots. Hell, the closest he ever came prior to that fight was Oscar Bonavena who decked him twice. Are you now going to claim that Joe was past it agianst Bonavena?

 

Frazier wasn't "past it" against Bonavena I, he was "before it."

 

Absolutely,

In fact, I think the reason Mathis beat him in the amatuers was because Frazier was pasit it then too.

 

Well I have recently posted an analysis of which heavyweights through history scored the most knockouts in the first four rounds of the fight and
I did not include Frazier because he did not have enough to make it worth including him.

Even relative to Marciano.