Louis or Ali - Does Anyone Not Have...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Jul 25, 2008.


  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    One of these two as their first or second ATG heavyweight?
     
  2. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Resumes, I think some could make an argument that Foreman, Lewis, Holmes, Liston, and Marciano are all equal to or above Louis.

    Ali, no one touches his resume.
     
  3. Guido

    Guido ESB Addict Full Member

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    Craziness! Ali and Louis are the two best, and that's just how it is.
     
  4. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I have Ali first but not Louis second.
     
  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    And who's second?
     
  6. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but Lennox Lewis...
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nah, far worse fighters you could stick there I suppose.
     
  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Very tough ... the A beats B but not C game ...

    I think Ali was the best. Louis was devastating but I can see a few like Jack Johnson taking him out of his game and beating him. However I see Louis giving Ali a much tougher fight than Johnson ... again, all about styles ...

    The best Joe Louis , especially in a rematch, may have chased Ali all over the ring like Tito to Oscar ...
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    What did you score Tito - Oscar?
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I thought on points/rounds Oscar deserved the decision but it's tough to get the W in a fight where you clearly run from your opponent for the final third of the bout. In addition, Oscar later admitted he was tired so that does not score many points with me as well ...
     
  11. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm sure this has been discussed on this forum alotta times, but Louis in his prime versus Cassius Clay, can you imagine? I do agree with he Grant about johnson, formidable is a good word, but Louis with those sharp shots v. Clay with that movement, what a fight!
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It is fortunate that we will never know because it would spoil all the fun.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    But if you bank enough rounds in the first 8 to win a 12 round fight it doesn't matter regardless. The judges aren't to go back and swap a few scores because Joe Blow run the last 4 rounds and lost them 10-9. It also doesn't matter who admits later they were tired or worn out or nearly ready to go etc.

    Agreed it makes for poor viewing and certainly takes gloss off a win, but in the big picture of winning and losing it doesn't count.
     
  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ...........I have them as my top two, yes. That would seem to be the consensus and deservedly so.
     
  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Last 3 rounds john. Oscar won the 9th round, he didnt began his running till the 10th. by that point, oscar was already ahead 8 rounds 1 and it didnt matter what happened from that point.