Louis vs Dempsey ( probably revisited )

In this scenario the neutral corner rule plays a big role.

If it's not in effect, then Dempsey could very well knock Louis down once early and never let him get back up, but without it I would favor Louis to survive.

 

Because Miske and, Capentier and Gibbons weren't top level competition, right? 2 out of 3 that Dempsey dismantled as his career slowed down to a halt.

I feel Dempsey's opposition being discredited is even worse than people who attack Marciano's.

Guy DIDN'T fight bad fighters.

 

He beat a tomato can for his "championship"... lost to a good boxer at the end. Only defended his "title" when he wanted.

Let's see, if I only defend against who I want, when I want, I'll be HW champion for a long while. Correct?

I'm sure the Dempsey fans won't like this, but that is what he did.

 

Louis KO2

 

Dempsey beat Sharkey too.

Joe Louis came along at a time where they had been 5 lineal champions in the last 5 years (1930-1935), so he beat those guys.
When Dempsey became ranked there had been 2 lineal champions in the last 10 years, and they were both old men, one was in exile outside of America, the other held the title.

I think Dempsey's competition gets unduly attacked.
He didn't fight Wills or Greb, and he didn't defend his title enough, and he fought some easy fights. But he beat some good fighters too, destroyed some of them, guys who deserved to be ranked among the top 3 or 4 men in the world at the time. Wins over Fulton, Gibbons and Sharkey stand out.

But, yes, Joe Louis had superior depth of good competition. Louis beat a higher number of top fighters.

 

so it took Louis 8 rounds to get rid of a crouching fighter likle Godoy and now he is somehow going to knocmkout Dempsey in two rounds?

 

Louis TKO6.

 

That's a very limited way to look at things, so let me join the theme.

Lets go other ways.

Tell me, had Godoy EVER been stopped by anyone before fighting Louis?

Then tell me, had Dempsey ever been stopped, and if so in what round?

Singling out an isolated incident to suit our own personal view is not quite the way to go.

Louis is a chance of knocking most any fighter out in 2 rounds if the cards fall that way, and contrary to some i do not believe Dempsey is the heavyweight Roberto Duran - far from it. He'd be right there for Joe, and indeed force him to fire early. Dangerous periods early for both with Louis' incredibly tight and pinpoint punching sealing the deal.

 

You follow my drift, that's for sure!

:yep

:good

 

On the other hand, it could be argued that there were so many ex-champions around for Louis to beat because none of them were good enough to hold on to the title.
Which implies that their "ex-title holder" status doesn't define a quality necessarily superior to other mere "contenders".

 

Ray Arcel called Duran "the lightweight Dempsey".
Ray Arcel was full of praise for Duran, and full of praise for the skills and abilities of Dempsey.

But if you dont see it, that's cool.
I've realized that we all just have different perceptions.

I think Lennox Lewis was (to over-state it) an awkward but powerful moose, but the majority of people here tell me he was a "good mover", with "a great jab" and "a lot more skillful than (for example),Sonny Liston".
It's a difference in perception.