Louis vs Dempsey ( probably revisited )

Its not a case of picking one incident. Louis to me seemed like a fighter who always took his time with crouching fighters. And the Godoy comparison i made because its the closest thing in terms of style.

Yes Dempsey was knocked out once in the first round, before his prime, when he didnt have great training etc but hey i suppose thats picking one incident too.

 

Dempsey never fought a fighter like Dempsey and I dont think Louis ever fought a fighter like Dempsey...Dempsey was a talent, conditioned, ripped,hardpunching and fast but Louis was all of those and perhaps the best Power/Combo puncher ever....I know a lot of the things that Dempsey did like being an inactive Champion and avoiding a few like Wills but a lot of that was not Jacks fault. Take a look at the champions that were considered great before his time Johnson, Now Johnson never gave the deserving black fighters of his era a chance. I beleive it was for the same reason Dempsey did not fight Wills the $$$$ was not there. Look at Jeffries he fought all but neither Jeffries or Johnson or any other champion before Dempsey set a example like Joe Louis who fought all Challengers, sizes,shapes and colors. I think Louis was the best ATG Heavy, I have him as # 1 but I think if you put Jack Dempsey in Louis time his natural Power, Killer instinct,and speed would make him an incredible foe. I think if you look at the history of the division after Louis you would see that Most of the Champions fought the best around in there time, Walcott,Charles,Marciano,Patterson,Liston,Ali,Frazier, then a lot of the other champs to come used the Other champion and alphabet titles as an excuse not to fight the best of there time,Larry Holmes being one of them, RIDDICK BOWE being another one. One thing I have to say about Vlad is he is trying to unify and I think Lewis wanted to also but not by fighting Byrd who he felt was a JR champ

 

And i do pick Louis, though i do think its not an early round blowout as some here seem to think

 

Patterson?? Patterson?? He fought the best of his time as champ?? Some one must of forgot to tell Patterson that, because last time I check, Folly, Machen and a shewn of other heavyweight contenders, didnt get a title shot.
Patterson DID not fight the best of his time as champ. And that imo should hurt him in the rankings.

 

Well, he was a little busy in his 3 fight series with Ingomar J. who KO'd Machen in1 rd. then he fought Sonny Liston 2 times and I think he would have been better off fighting Foley, so I can not call Floyd a ducking Champ because Ingo and Sonny were no slouches

 

That was not until the END of his rein about. Patterson had plenty of time to defeat these men between 1956-1959 before Ingo. Bottom line, Patterson didnt fight them. No exuses in this regard, he had plenty of time.

 

Yea, I was hesitant to put Floyd on the list but I felt fight Ingo and Sonny qualified him but he had his share of soft touches who he struggled with or at least hit the floor against but its not how you start its how you finish. Proberly the most solid champs for fighting the best was Louis,Marciano,Ali,Frazier but the men they beat also fought the best

 

Great post!

 

Fair post mate.

 

Marciano comes to fight, and win. He seldom pisses about. His fights could certainly contain some fearsome early exchanges, and this is why i predict a short fight. I mean with Louis being seen by some as a slow starter why wouldn'y Dempsey start quick? I also know he lacked respect for Louis as a fighter, which plays into Louis' hands no matter which way i look at it.

 

Call me biased but i can't see any flaws at all in my argument