Louis vs Walcott 3?

It's not about engaging more, it would be about not showboating and coasting. He was rightly confident in there during the second fight. He had outboxed Louis the first fight, and likely (likely being the key word), should've been given the verdict. He continued the trend in the second fight, still outboxing Louis and being up on the cards. So through 25 rounds, he had put Louis down 3 times, and wasn't down once himself, nor ever really hurt. So he got overconfident and them bam. So here, I'd say Walcott would've learned to stay the course and he'd have every reason to believe he'd come out ahead. That is my view.

 

Nothing can be definitive, as we can't view the whole fight. However, what we CAN say is, who was more likely the winner, and the evidence points more to Walcott than Louis. We can't see the Greb fights at all, yet we can still give him credit for newspaper decision that had him winning the majority. We can see nothing of those fights. Do you through out all those fights and count them as nothing? I don't believe you do McVey, so you clearly feel like a majority view can lead one to believe a fighter won. Here, the majority felt Walcott won, including the ref, and clearly the majority of the viewing audience. Even the in the highlights, we don't see anything that leads us to believe the majority were wrong. We are left with Walcott putting Joe down twice, and never being hurt at all. We have Louis being aggressive but not doing much with it. Shoot, people still gave Walcott the win, even after coasting for the last 3 rounds and giving them away. THAT is how far ahead he was and how thoroughly he was outboxing Louis. Let me say that again, he gave away the last 3 rounds, and was still ahead enough to win the majority of the votes. He was clearly and decisively outboxing Joe, not sure how any other view could be taken considering the information we do have.

 

I wouldn't tell anyone who's seen the fight they're wrong. I haven't seen it so I've no right to say that. All the evidence points to an extremely close fight that could have gone either way.

Luckily for us they had a rematch where they could get a conclusive result and Louis took that chance and sparked Walcott.

I'd say Louis is a fairly big favourite for a rematch as he'd beaten him every time they fought.

You will be happy to hear Walcott is in my top 100 ATG list though

 

Only he didn't beat him every time they fought, seeing as he was likely the loser of the first fight. Seeing as Louis was put down 2 times in that first fight, and never had Walcott in any trouble. You think this is a ringing endorsement for Louis being a third? Pardon me, if I laugh a little at such a premise. Don't you think it speaks volumes that Walcott coasted the last 3 rounds (mind you with Louis still not landing anything significant) and the majority STILL thought Walcott won? That points to a decisive outboxing by Walcott, not the reverse. If he could coast that last 3 rounds, yet still get the nod from the majority, he must've been putting it on Joe pretty hard eh? Well he was, seeing as he put him down 2 times.

 

Walcott actually floored Louis in the rematch as well.

Joe Louis was lucky Walcott chose to showboat in the re-match, and the Conn fight was not 12 rounds, with Conn being hard headed.

 

I actually feel quite strongly that Walcott would have won a third encounter.

I feel that Louis went back significantly after the second Walcott fight, while Walcott did not particularly.

I don't think that this version of Louis would have had the reflexes to finish Walcott, or much realistic chance of outpointing him.

I think that we might even have seen a stoppage win for Walcott.

Now if you disagree with me, and think that Louis would have won, then that has major implications for Marciano's win over Louis.

If you think that this Louis could have beaten Walcott, then it becomes a very impressive win.

 

"Walcott coasted", "Walcott showboated", perhaps this points to a fundamental flaw in Walcott's game.
15 rounds is a long time to share a ring with Joe Louis, clearly.

Joe Louis knocked him the f--k out, seriously. Everyone who ever got KO'd can say "I made a mistake" with some merit to that statement.

 

And that's not far off what people thought at the time.
Before Marciano battered Louis into retirement, most commentators regarded Louis's chances of regaining the title as pretty good.

 

He did beat him every time. There's no likely about it, he won the fight. Every single scorecard I've seen, bar one, has it within 2 rounds to either man. Everyone who saw the match agrees it is exceptionally close. Louis was the man who got the nod. Hell if full footage was available you might just agree with the official decision yourself buddy.

Either way Louis won a close encounter, close enough to warrant a rematch, one in which he went one better and knocked him out.

The third fight probably finishes sooner.

 

Jimmy Cannon, a huge booster of Louis and a close personal friend, thought Walcott had beaten Louis,that was his opinion and he saw the fight.I've only seen highlights and so have no opinion and I discount the opinions of those who are in the same position of ignorance on the subject as myself

 

A fight that occurred nearly 3 and a half years earlier?

 

I am saying that if you think that the Louis who fought Marciano (the version that would have been in a third Walcott fight) could still have beaten Walcott, then this becomes a pretty darn impressive win for Marciano.

Personally I think that Walcott would have stuffed him.

 

You don't think that when a third match would have occurred would have been relevant?

 

Only it wasn't some fabricated success, it was actual success. Success saw by the majority of sportswriters and the ref. that is even with him coasting the last 3 rounds. That is how decisively he was outboxing Walcott for the first 12 rounds. For him to give away 3 rounds knowing he was comfortably ahead, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to deduce he was well ahead by then. So when he continues to outbox him in the rematch, and again is ahead, why would he be confident? It wasn't like he was getting his a55 kicked, and foolishly showboated. That is about as far removed as we can get with what actually happened. Even at the end of the first fight he was showboating, and during early rounds in the second, and didn't pay the price. He was the one KD Louis 3 times to Zero before the KO. So he likely was like, well, I'll just continue what I've been doing and be okay. He wasn't, but to paint it like, oh he just said he made a mistake but really it was bound to happen; is frankly, pretty disingenuous

 

The huge elephant in the room though luf, which you seem to be missing; is that the scorecards were close WITH Walcott giving away those last 3 rounds. That is what speaks volumes. The majority STILL had Walcott winning, even while he coasted and thought he was assured of the victory. So I ask again, that is a ringing endorsement for Louis being superior in that fight? Come on, it's actually the EXACT opposite.