Louis would beat Ali

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSp90BN3PlA[/ame]

 

PP,you say "notice i didn't mention Louis's LATE career losses,just the fights near to his prime ". You did sneak in the Walcott fight when Louis at 34 years of age,about to retire after 13 years as champion was a shell of himself...So in response to the Walcott bout I mentioned Ali losing to Spinks and Berbick, knowing full well that THIS Ali was also a shell of himself...What's good for the goose, is good for the gander...
Yes no fighter in history can avoid perilous moments in their career, for sure...But a prime Louis was a juggernut puncher who akways got the job done...
P.S. Do not underate the Max Schmeling of the first Louis knockout...
On this night Schmeling with his toughness and laser right hand, would have given anyone of Ali's opponents hell...

 

:rofl

Never seen this awesome video, Cus might've said different if he saw the punishment Ali could take and how great his survival skills were.

 

Because of his mobility and ability to take it to chin or body I would slightly favor the very best Ali over Louis; however, I would not be suprised if Louis won. Louis was quicksand, and if he could manage to ***** Ali's legs he could force a stoppage.

 

I like Al by dec, and I would not be surprised if both hit the floor.

 

Childish Burt and very different, Louis was 33 not 34 and no shell against Walcott, the rematch perhaps being his best win. Walcott also was 34, Ali was 31 in the first Norton loss, should we scrape those from the record?

Schemelling was past prime and 3 months from his 33rd birthday in the Louis rematch, perhaps this should be struck from the record? Jack Sharkey 34

Schmelling of the first fight was indeed a great fighter and put on a master class. Just not as good or big as Ali and I'm not sure 'he'd give any of Ali's opponents hell', I don't think he'd match up too well against Liston or Frazier, Foreman maybe, but then again maybe not

 

No more tit for tat PP.
The Joe Louis of the Max Baer fight beats any version of Clay/ Ali. Finito:!:

 

Brilliant video, I've seen it before but good to watch again, I agree with Ali

Respectfully disagree Burt, not tit for tat, but some say Max Baer was past his best then, I'm not sure why, it wasn't long since he'd won the title

 

Surprised?

I'd just say that both had weaknesses that the other could exploit. Louis should try to drive Ali straight back to the ropes with the jab and then drop the right, á la Norton. Ali should of course drop the right over Louis jab á la Schmeling. But he could also try and counter the jab with a left hook, since Louis tended to let his right hand follow the left for a bit when he jabbed.

 

It amazes me that people don't see Ali style as giving Louis problems. People act like Louis was some pressure fighter who would be taking it to Ali and pressuring him all around the ring.. THIS ISN'T JOE LOUIS... Not even close. He rarely if ever fought that way, and when he did, it was for a short period of time. So, how people can try and find a way for Louis to overcome this bad style matchup by making louis into something he's not.. is well.. disingenuous. We don't need to make up a style for Ali to beat Joe.. He excected said style over and over again.. We do however need to make Joe fight a fight he rarely ever did to make it close. That speaks volumes about who has the advantage here and who would be a clear favorite to win. Ali

 

k, respectfully you don't know the essence of Joe Louis...His opponents
were pressured by the stalking Louis with two grenades in his hand ready to explode. No he was no Joe Frazier type who stormed in taking punches to the head. He was a killer who never threw unecessary punches thus exhausting himself, but every punch Louis threw hurt, and when he hurt you, it was like a shark smelling blood in the water...Ali never ever met anyone like Louis who threw tremendous combinations that kod his opponents...Sure Ali was a good boxer, but he was able to dance for the first part of a bout, and then reverting to hugging and leaning his head back, and finally doing the rope a dope...It worked for most of his bouts but it would be suicide for the trip hammer blows of the greatest
combination puncher who ever lived ...to say Ali could take a Louis attack
because he had an iron chin...Nonsense. A Max Baer took tremendous
punches on his jaw until he had to quit to save his life...And say what you want about Max Baer no one took a better punch than he...O f course Ali
conceivably last the 15 rounds eaking out a decision, but I think this is highly unlikely.....

 

There would be no EAKING out Burt... If it went the distance.. Ali would win a very comfortable decision. You must remember Burt... Ali could CERTAINLY drop Louis with his right hand and I believe would do so, maybe even multiple times. As many times as Louis was dropped in his career I believe Ali certainly does it. That my friend, along with his outboxing Louis, makes it a wide UD for Ali. On the flip side.. Ali wasn't down nearly as much and had a much better chin.

 

Louis did pressure, but he did at a slower pace than a Frazier or even Norton, more in line with a Liston and he didn't cut off the ring. I believe Liston was compared to Louis and they do have similarities. Foreman was compared to Louis too but Liston much more similar with his more textbook boxer puncher approach

That doesn't make him a worse boxer but it does mean he gives a pure boxer more thinking and reaction time.

Also you compared Ali and Baer's chins, Ali in my view had a better chin but 1 of his most important assets was his willpower, heart and sheer bloody mindedness to win at all costs. Baer certainly didn't bring that mindset to the ring against Louis

 

I agree with you that Ali had a greater will to win than Max Baer and if Ali has the reputation of having a better chin than a Max baer, a George Chuvalo,a Paolino Uzcudun, it is because he had a MUCH greater way of AVOIDING punches than they did...After all Ali was dropped by smaller and faster punchers as Banks, Doug Jones, Henry Cooper because he couldn't
see those fast punches coming,as he did from the slower more larger
Foreman, Liston etc...Hell Ali was dropped at least FOUR times by ONE PUNCH...Louis hurt you with a laser left or right and flattened you with a punch as you were falling down...One more time,Ali NEVER faced a puncher like Joe Louis...NEVER Louis was 4 times the puncher than a Banks, a Cooper, a Doug Jones was....Please watch films of the young deadly
Brown Bomber, remember his words of wisdom, " you can run, but you can't hide.....And for Ali's sake bending your head back would put you in the emergency ward against a Joe Louis...