Low blows: Andre Ward vs Kovalev 2

Low blows weren't the problem, he got hit with a few but the body shots did him in, that and gassing.

 

How many times have you been hit in the testicles ? Have you ever boxed even?? Kov was hit FLUSH in the testicles at least TEN times im that debacle not ONE warning

 

I'm saying if you're gonna compete at something, be in it to win it or go home. I'd much rather a fighter I root for not have to break the rules or bend the rules, but sometimes you need to do something to male a momentum shift or sometimes you're just totally outclassed by your opponent. I'm not gonna fully back any fighter if I doubt their drive, will to win, or if I don't think the biggest motivating factor for them competing at something is WINNING. I be downright appalled if a fighter that I openly rooted for and was a fan of got fouled all night long and did nothing about it, even after said fighter knew the ref wouldn't save them. I mean, it's a ****ing FIGHT for chrissakes! Hit him back below the belt. But if you're a boxer and all you do is look to the ref to save you? ****ing beat it man. That's truly shameful and embarrassing. Some thing I find equally as bad? Enrolling in VADA without being forced to when you're main competitors probably have never been tested in their life, nor will they ever be. People talk about Ward having bacne and this and that......... Is Kovalev VADA tested? If so is it by choice? If yes again, I hope he makes a few good paydays before he retires because he is a total dumb****.

Everything I've said in this whole thread has been along the lines of: Nobody is giving you anything in life you have to go out there and take it, do everything you can to win, stack the deck, blah blah blah...If that means needing to "cheat", bend the rules, or break them? Damn EFFING right.

Proud Andre Ward fan here. Let me take a guess, you're a fan of the other guy right, the one who LOST? Why would you get behind someone like that? Kovalev's fans deserve the embarrassment of backing him. He's a total beta clam in the ring when you don't fold and a total diva dickhead outside of it.

 

This as well. Probably 90% of low blows aren't "nut shots" otherwise you'd get disqualified in a heartbeat even if the judge was already paid for. Don't look to the ref to whine and complain, take matters into your own hands a hit him back below the waist.

I vaguely remember hearing some stories about either Ward or Kovalev downing entire bars under the table throughout TRAINING CAMP...... Maybe it was Ward? Nahhh, he acts like a champion and busts his ass. Must have been the other guy.

 

Whoa I left for a day and this thread went off the deep end. I sympathize with the Kovalev apologist, a part of me was dissatisfied with his fickle facade especially knowing how good of a boxer he truly is. Moral of the story theres always someone smarter, tougher and more resourceful than you.

The subconscious self loathing truly reveals itself with the simplistic descriptions of the fight from those that claim Kovalev was jobbed and low blowed to submission. It’s the easiest translation to promote and enough people support it so why not continue to shove it down our throats.

The minute your fighter turns his back and protests “legal” body blows to the referee is the moment you realize he has conceded and accepted defeat. Now trust and believe no one will provide a proper retort to this and I only say this because no one has, even after all these months....if they do I will acknowledge it full throttle.

 

That’s why if he were to unify... he should demand the fight be overseas with ALL refs from his country Why not?! Ward had to have all home field advantages! Even the ref.

 

I am tired of the lies by SOB fans! Hell, they look at the video evidence, see the low blows, and claim they are above the belly button! They are so full of hate, biased that they can't see straight, and it does not appear to be provincial either! All the lies...........a spade is a spade and an ace is an ace, a low blow is a low blow!

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People go around claiming to be a victim in 1000s of situations.
I think we are differing on the subject as to how we determine this and could be going off subject

I dont take offence. Its a boxing forum, and its not like we will ever sit down together.

Understand what you are trying to say, but we will get back to this in a minute

This is where the differing comes in.
While in say a war situation, I can agree that anyone will do what they have to survive. No disagreement at all.
When you talk of population, America is far bigger than the UK and hence has a greater population but I expect the UK is more densely populated.
Boxing is what was called a gentlemans sport where there are rules. If you wanted 2 people to fight without rules that would not be boxing.
From what you have said, as I understand it is that you would be happy for rules to be broken at any cost to win. Well thats not boxing and doesnt deep down make you a winner with that.
Would you say PEDs are acceptable as well as you would do what it takes?
Some people cheat to win at a game of Monopoly for example or are just sore losers but that doesnt mean they are people who would go all out to survive in a deadly situation. I dont think anyone knows what they are until in situations and even then think it can leave question marks.
Now you are saying all of this but YOU, like I, dont know what A Wards mindset is.

Back to this part now

America cares greatly about boxing when they have a winning fighter. Consider F Mayweather. A great fighter and multi millionaire.
America did dominate when the iron curtain was in place. When that was removed, there was suddenly a similar amount of HWs from Europe to America.
Before that time, I would guess that America had probably 3 times the amount of HW boxers than Europe, so statistically would be standing more of a chance of being dominant.
Now there are a similar amount of HWs in America to Europe, bit more in Europe to America and hence America are no longer the dominant HWs. It was to do with what you claim, population I think.
When there were more American HWs than all of Europe combined, America was dominant. Now that Europe has more HWs than America, Europe is more dominant.
The UK doing very well with recently T Fury, now A Joshua etc.
I dont think anyone is producing superior athletes. It is you who thinks that with the comment of its only because America is not interested.

Now you say there is no care as the reason but if that were true there wouldnt be the HW factory.
I watched a programme on it where they were training American HWs to compete with the European HWs

Do you not think if Wilder were to have beaten W Klitschko that he wouldnt suddenly be hyped with America interested? Of course they would.

You are almost saying, if we are not winning its only because we are not interested. Rubbish. That sounds like sore losing and we know that with the money, fame and hype with Mayweather that is not the case.

 

I'll be honest and admit I didnt read this.
I still need to reply to another poster who made a couple of long posts. What do you want to say in brief?
I dont mean that to sound rude by the way

 

The first stage of grief is denial and you’re a classic example. You dance around the truth with fabrication, conspiracy theories and poorly fashioned biased filled commentary and video.

Must be painful to live like that, move on Kovalev was proven to be a soft man when faced with adversity Ward proved he excelled in the face of adversity....some folks are made from different strands of fabric it’s a fact of life. Kovalev is still an awesome offenseive machine and he will continue to succeed no doubt about it.

 

Just your definition of what is a brawler and what is a boxer will do fine.



I get you, lots of people to contend with, I'm not offended.

 

I concur on many points however I must admit I have first hand experience regarding the depreciating interest for boxing amongst the talented American athlete. Growing up many young men that showed physical superiority, fortitude, energy, endurance and durability where steered towards sports that received the proper financial backing and funding. Boxing was always known for its ability to build confidence, strength and discipline for young men who grew up disadvantaged but it also pigeonholed these same young men into believing fighting your way out was the only way.

Community organizations built enough relationships with local politicians and other private support groups to expand the choices and provide the equipment and platforms needed to increase participation levels for football, basketball, baseball even tennis.

While I certainly see your point there exists a strong formidable argument for the “disinterested” American athlete theory. One can even fashion a theory that touches on the not so gifted American athlete that falls back and uses boxing as a suitable alternative when all the other sports have failed him.

 

Bailey, thinking and articulating thoughts/opinions/ideas requires intelligence/intellect, so by nature I'm pretty screwed when it comes to making posts on an internet forum, even if it were a special olympian only forum. My first two or three posts on a topic will almost always be the best I have to offer, anything after those and I'm all over the place like a speeding drunk driver trying to convey and relate my original crappy thought/opinion/idea.

For both our sake and the sake of every other poster here, I'm gonna have to cap myself from making another post here. If my first two or three posts in this thread don't make any sense to you, it's only going to get worse and more erratic. You got your opinion and I'm not going to be able to change it, and I have mine and you're not gonna be able to change it. I've seen you on here for years, you're a really smart dude - way smarter than me admittedly. Since opinions can't be right or wrong, just take solace in the fact that you're much smarter than me. Hope I didn't offend you.

 

Ward has beat him twice. There will not be a third fight.

 

What causes such inconceivable pain? Well, for starters, a shot to the balls is just like any other physical strike to the body: because of nerves, it’s gonna hurt. Unlike most other parts of your body, though, your scrotum lacks protection in the form of bones, large muscle mass, and fat. The testes are just wee little glands, and they’re going to absorb the whole force of the blow all on their own
Another thing that makes a ball shot so painful is the same thing that makes almost every other sensation down there so much fun. Your groin has a ridiculously high number of sensory nerve endings, and such generous innervation makes good and bad touches alike very noticeable sensations.
And the pain doesn’t just stay down there in the scrotum. It insists on radiating throughout the groin and up into the abdomen (and, psychically, out to every other dude standing within a few feet), leading to a weird stomach ache. This is the work of a phenomenon known as referred pain, which is when a sensation originating at one spot travels along a nerve root to other parts of the body and is perceived as happening there, too. It’s the same thing that’s going when you get an ice cream headache. In this case, the pain starts in your balls and travels up the perineal and pudendal nerves and the spermatic plexuss, to make it feel like death has come for most of your lower body., which cover real estate in the groin and abdomen, around the spine and even a little ways down into the anu
Kovalev has soft testicles like the rest of us. Why don't you allow one of your cronies to knee or punch you in the sack and then tell us how "soft" Kovalev is.