Low iq moments in boxing?

This! I read the @McGrain thread on this a while ago and it was grand.

 

It was Samson P’ouha whom Golota bit. He threw very blatant headbutts against Danell Nicholson and Riddick Bowe.

The 90s HW division was bizarre. Holyfield-Tyson 2, Golota-P’ouha, and Hide-Bentt all had bites.

Golota was a headcase and a choker. Late in his career, he showed a lot of heart and gutted out a tough win against Mike Mollo on the RJJ-Tito undercard. One of his eyes was shut. I remember thinking it was too bad he didn’t show that type of resilience against Bowe and Michael Grant.

 

Norris had awful impulse control, always hitting guys when they were down. I don’t know what the hell he was doing in the 2nd Santana fight.

Even if Norris didn’t hear the bell, the ref was right there in the middle

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- Leonard fighting on the inside with Duran for 15 rounds in the 1st fight.
- Taylor trying to outmuscle Chavez and going for the KO in the 12th round, despite leading on 2/3 judges scorecards.
- Pacquiao trying to outbox Mayweather instead of forcing the action.
- Mayorga's whole career

 

thank you! got those two flipped!

 

Perhaps just me as I saw it - I thought Francis was actually doing okay for the first half of the round.

Rather than switching to be more effective, I thought it was just a needless, cocky move on Francis’s part - to advertise how loose he felt.

He was actually very confident - when he got knocked down it was notable that he appeared as much disbelieving as he did hurt - he really looked shocked.

And, for what its worth, at least for the first 2 KDs, Francis had the presence of mind to avail himself of full 9 counts before arising.

Even some seasoned pros have lost their head a bit after a KD and jump back up far too early.

Not much but just a small, positive takeaway for Ngannou.

 

Yeah, I think that was when ODLH began clearly gassing during his fights.

Tied in with that was Oscar abandoning his excellent and highly effective jab at some point during fights.

It seemed inexplicable to abandon such an effective jab, unless you accept that Oscar didn’t have the energy to pump the jab as much as he did earlier in the fight.

Not his fault but it became frustrating to watch some of his fights because he still had the skills but his gas tank was really letting him down.

 

"T.I.T. This is Thailand."

 

Jack Sharkey turning his head to complain about a nut-cruncher just as Dempsey was loading his left hook. At the most crucial moments of his career Sharkey found ways to coax a defeat from sure victory. He was the poster boy for lowblowitis.

 

Personally I think it was more a case of Louis catching up to an already and steadily aggressive opponent rather than Conn losing his head - but if people interpret Billy as unwisely slugging with Joe, then they might consider that a low IQ moment for Billy - or at least an instance where emotions took over disproportionally.

Same with Walcott in the return match vs Louis. Some believe Jersey Joe became reckless and decided to weigh anchor and throw some punches - again, I don’t see that - Walcott was still playing evasion and countering but the Bomber was patient and simply caught up to his man again.

 

Cleveland Williams prematurely electing to slug with Liston in both fights.

Cleve was going great guns boxing very well, firing the jab and even ducking in with brutal salvos and quickly getting out again.

However, once he detected hurt in Sonny, he sniffed blood and his instincts took over - and he went hell for leather. Liston was able to more than accomodate Williams given that type of fight.

Not to say Williams would’ve beaten Sonny otherwise but he might’ve bought himself a few
more rounds of viability and perhaps deterred Liston that bit more.

Perhaps Cleve simply resolved that the only way to beat Liston was for Williams to fight him exactly as he did - a take no prisoners approach, whack out Sonny first and quickly or be whacked out yourself, sooner or later.

 

Liston said his corner told him after round 1 to close the distance. To do that Sonny had to take a few hard punches but once he found his way inside, Williams couldn't cope with him. He said the second fight was easier because he learned in the first go-round what he needed to do.

 

Tyson going toe to toe and banging on the inside with Holyfield when Tyson had never really fought like that before, he should have double or triple jabbed Holyfield to gauge some timing and jabbed with a shift and body shot when Holyfield tried to counter, in later rounds he could have used the jabs to set up a right and his 6-4 would have been a lot bigger if he hadn't been getting the short end of the stick throughout the fight

 

Yeah, I’ve read that before - excellent background info. Thanks.

Liston’s short punching game was terrific in that fight - and he kept very cool under serious fire.

I could be wrong but I recall Williams stance was more spread/splayed than usual - initially it seemed to help nullify Liston’s abnormal reach - though Cleve was very well reached himself. It was a nice offensive/defensive pivot for Williams.

I love both fights but the first fight more so. Plenty of nice boxing and power concentrated into a relatively short fight.

It’s also rare to see such physically well tuned HWs in the ring together. Liston looked to be a very big, powerful and densely packed 212 lbs or so - his best weight really.

 

James Toney being suckered into mocking Roy Jones's rooster pose...

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