Lucian Bute is a perfect example of how today's fighters can become champion without

Bute hasn't stepped out his comfort zone nor took on a big risk, like going into a solid opponent's backyard and laying them out.

Nor has he called anyone out.

No mention of Froch, Kessler or anyone.

I read somewhere that he wanted a Jesse Brinkley fight ? did i dream that ?

 

I honestly think that Bute is getting flack for a lot of the hype he's gotten rather than his fights themselves or his own comments. For where Bute is in his career, he's faced good competition. For where Bute's HYPE is, no he hasn't faced the best competition. You have to keep in mind that he's still relatively early in his career and has plenty of time to step it up.

 

I think Green would have a great shot at defeating Bute.

 

I think he'd make a damn fun fight but he'd be outboxed with a few scary moments

 

Look the problem that I have with Bute and Kessler as I stated before is that they arent jumping when the fights are on the table...I havent heard so much from Bute himself but his promo company talks plenty for him, and does Kessler. What Im getting at is they make claims about fighting this guy and wanting that guy, but because you dont get that guy it dont mean that you keep fighting second and third tier fighters.

Bute seems like a nice enough guy, but his fans are going overboard with the hype of a guy that really got knockedout by the best fighter that he has faced to this point, Kessler also lost to the best fighter that he faced. Neither guy has the greatest resume amoung the elite fighters in fact I would say that if you listed the 20 best champions in boxing thier resumes would rank them in the bottom 25%, I would go so far as to say that Bute has the worst outside of Berto, or maybe Linares. And Kessler isnt much higher. I think that is were the backlash on Bute is coming from, his fans are hyping him like he has really proven that he is one of the very best fighters in the world while you can compare his resume with many of the up-and-coming fighters of today, instead of the champions that he gets put with in talks.

 

Green is a sharp puncher with alot of power, he would be by far the best offensive fighter that Bute has faced. In all the fights that I have seen Bute fight he has been in with limited fighters, Bika, and Andrade are more tough guys then skilled fighters. It would be a tough fight, I just question Greens toughness sometimes. I personally dont think that it would be a good fight, it would go one of two ways...ONE a replay of Bute vs Andrade without the knockout at the end with Green losing a 117-111 type of dec or a Pac vs Hatton with Green blowing the door off Bute and stopping very early and easy.

 

I agree with the two possible directions of this fight but I have to go with the former. Green has the SKILLS to beat bute but I see it panning out; without an early knockout, I don't know if Green has the discipline to carry out a long term strategy and see him getting outboxed

 

Bute said he wanted to fight Froch. He may not have acted like a gorilla doing it but if you want to listen, you'll understand. His promoter is the one who asked for a fight between Froch and Bute. If the fight doesn't happen, it's because Froch is unable to sign a British television contract. Bute had agreed to go to U.K. to fight Froch.
Bute never wanted a Brinkley fight. Don't listen to stupid rumors.
Bute has faced three top ten and he has only 24 fights on his resume. And you're saying he doesn't go out of his comfort zone?

 

Let it die laffie.

Let it die.

 

There are four major belts in each division. It doesn't take much to get a title shot with four titles to fight for. Of course, when there was just one champion, it use to be harder to work your way to a shot. But with four belts to get in line for it won't take much to get a shot today. Its really no big deal. And why would anyone prop up the Joppy that Bute beat? He was once a good middleweight but he is shot now. That was about as easy as a title defense can get.

 

Agreed, and well said, nice post.:good

 

now i like allan green but who has allan green beaten at 168 lbs. he lost his only meanigful fight to Miranda. and has done really nothing since bute has atleast beat some decent contenders and top 168 lbers. bute is ok . now if he doesn't try to unify in the next year then you can say something

 

The **** Bute is getting is well out of proportion to the reality of the situation.

The reality is he's had 24 fights. Yes he needs to step up and fight the best, everybody does in the 168lb division because its not a division with any "p4p" names.

As it is, his resume is solid enough for where he is at. He deserves criticism if in a few fights down the line he still hasn't fought one of the best, or rematched Andrade, but I see this criticism at the moment as unfair.

 

Thing is, I never said "great wins" - I said "good wins and solid contenders" - remove Joppy for Berrio if you must, I really don't care. The point is that in 24 fights, the guy has faced 4 to 5 guys who aren't just bum of the month awaiting defeat, he's faced two guys that were in the top ten at his division and both fighters are guys that other fights avoid, in Bika and Andrade

Don't misquote what I said or blow it out of proportion. You can berate Joppy all you like, I never said he was great. He is a good boxer, as evidenced by the fact that he blew out five **** opponents prior to fighting Bute.

You find me ANY other boxer with 24 fights who has fought as many ex title challengers as Bute has and then maybe you've got something on him, point is, you're ****ing ******ed for picking Bute because he really has attempted to earn his stripes early, rather than wait 30 fights into his career like Kessler or most American fighters these days.

Ex Title Contenders that Bute has faced
Zuniga
Andrade
Joppy
Berrio - ex champ
Bika
Thysse
Salem

7 fights out of 24 where the opponent had previously got himself to a title shot.

With another 3 of those fighters having challenged at WBC International Level and yet another 4 fighters having fought at regional belt level.

So, 14 live opponents out of 24 in an era where most fighters don't fight a live candidate til their 20th-25th fight?

Bute hasn't fought great fighters, but he has fought good fighters and he's put in (with the exception of 10 seconds against Andrade) great results.

I don't even like Bute. I think he gets spanked against the first good left hook he faces because he keeps his lead right hand low and relies too much on his handspeed, which isn't really that impressive due to his dysfunctional footwork.

I had Bika beating him and although I thought Andrade was ****, I thought he still had a chance against Bute.

Bute would lose to Froch, Kessler, Taylor (yes, Taylor), Abraham, etc.

But.. for a guy with 24 fights? He's done as much as anyone I can think in the current era.

 

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Title contenders....NOT champs and not even top level guys. Being a title contender dont make you a top level fighter it only means that you got a title shot, that you likely didnt earn. Many of those guys that you listed were put in as soft touches, or fights that the champion was suppose to win with little problems. I cant believe you even listed those fighters as if they were something to talk about.:huh