Lucian Bute is The Ring #1 SMW (with GIFs)

Great, respond to the first sentence in my post and ignore the rest. Real convenient. :good

 

I responded to the part that was ridiculous.


Bute winning by a body shot against Andrade is not a bigger win than than Wards complete dismantling of Kessler. It's not even close.


It's a little aggravating to watch a good solid fighter pick up a good solid win and then come on here and read about everyone talking about this win like he just beat a prime SRl or something.

Keith

 

Who said that? :huh Did Ward just beat a prime SRL?

Do you really need to have it explained to you why a fourth round knockout victory over Librado Andrade is more impressive than a technical decision win over Mikkel Kessler?

And don't give me this "by a body shot" bull**** like it was some kind of fluke. He himself dismantled, floored, and stopped a guy in four rounds that virtually nobody thought stoppable. Ward dismantled Kessler by exploiting known weaknesses in Kessler's game that Kessler hadn't learned to adapt. Really, we're having this argument?

 

If it's of any consolation, I can promise you that will be the last time one point gets taken out of context on this board.


I'd be lying of course, but at least the thought's there. :!:

 

No, because it can't be explained. No one before the fight was talking about Andrade being a top 5 SMW, hell he was boderline top ten. He lost the last time he fought Bute, and then lost again. Big shocker? Did you pick Andrade to win??

Meanwhile Kessler is the recognized man at SMW and got the hell beat out of him for 10 straight rounds.

I think Bute would gladly trade a KO-4 over Andrade in a return fight with the ass beating Ward gave Kessler.

And Kessler is light years closer to SRL than Andrade.

Waht afreaking lack of perspective, or maybe understanding of the two fighters?

Keith

 

You're the one missing perspective, guy. Go back to my original post (the first one you quoted - after the selective bit you chose to respond to). This isn't about whether Kessler or Andrade is the better fighter, or better win in terms of name value. I already acknowledged that Kessler is - go ahead, go back and take a peek. The point is that Andrade's durability is his calling card, and the fact that he got dropped and badly hurt by a Bute headshot, then stopped with a bodyshot is quite the impressive statement - regardless of Andrade's boxing skill or ranking relative to anybody else (since those things aren't relevant - his perceived/proven durability IS). Had Ward knocked Kessler out, we could say it was the more impressive statement. Really, he just did very good work and Kessler had no answers for him. He didn't do any one particularly shocking thing to put an exclamation point on the victory, as his game didn't change much after the first two or three rounds - he simply didn't allow Kessler into the fight. That's impressive; and he deserves credit for it. This, however, was a more powerful statement by Bute, since he did do something particularly shocking to add his own exclamation point, by hurting someone hitherto regarded as among the most durable men in the sport, both upstairs and downstairs, badly enough that he could not continue after less than twelve minutes of combat.

 

I completley disagree. Andrade is fighter that gets hit WITH EVEYRTHING. While stopping him is nice, you still only have a win over a fighter you have already beaten, who has lost before, and is a class below championship level. It's almost akin to Holmes stopping Tex Cobb and claiming that would be a better win than his 15 round decision over Norton, well, because Cobb is hard to stop.

No one has doen to Kessler what Ward has, not even Calzaghe to the same degree. Kesler was at the top of the heap, not the bottom.

Like I said, Bute would gladly trade statments on those two fights.

Beating a top notch fighter is ALWAYS a better statement than knocking out a low level fighter after 16 rounds of fighting.


Keith

 

I agree. I can see how you can rank Bute ahead a Ward even tho I dont agree and will argue it. It's definitly a good argument with his depth and how he's fought more higher class fighters then Ward ect ect

Whatever we agree to disagree you are a good poster but guys like Farmy and everyone like him terrible.

 

What Bute did was very imperssive. I agree that this time Andrade was doing better early in the fight. I gave him round 2. But Bute just closed the show with that left thunder. He made a statement. No doubt.

 

Yes, Andrade was doing much better than last time, and I also gave him one or two rounds.

 

Ward isn't number one. To be honest, there isn't a number one and shouldn't be until the tournament is resolved. Based on performances, Bute, Ward and Abraham are in contention for the top spot. Based on resume, I'm not sure Ward deserves to be there - Bute's resume at SMW is superior, with Bika, Andrade, Tatevoysan and Berrio.

I'd see it like this, if pressed:

Champ - vacant
#1 - Bute
#2 - Ward
#3 - Kessler
#4 - Froch
#5 - Abraham
#10 - Dirrell

Out of the ten, Taylor - who's lost 2/3 fights at SMW, with only the win against a seriously shot Lacy.

 

BigBone, I think you get carried away a bit from excitement over Butes performance.

Bute countered Andrade with timing, not speed. He didn't do a Mayweather, or Roy Jones. That works better with crude opponents who give away their timing, but capable boxers make it harder and harder to do it. You can't say you are comfortably convinced that Bute could do the same to Ward, Dirrell or Abraham. Kessler now has to be questioned, Froch is Andrade 2.0, and Taylor has to prove he didn't take too much damage from Abrahams KO first. But the other 3 can pose an obstacle Bute doesn't have the easy answer for. Only a fight between said fighters could prove one or the other outcome.

 

@BigBone: As a AA fan I've to disagree. AA vs. Bute would be a good fight - but only as long as it lasts.

AA by KO

 

Why is everybody riding Bute's dick now?
Right now there are so many people at smw...
He beat Andrade...great deal. He nearly got knocked out in their first fight.
Andrade is all heart and determination. No skill,speed nor defense c'mon.
Nearly getting knocked out by a top 10 fighter and knocking him out in the second fight now makes you the #1 guy?

 

ward has to be #1 i mean he dominated the top guy in the devision, but i got bute at #2, i was not expecting what he did to librado, his boxing technique is close to, if not on pare with ward(altough ward is clearly the better inside fighter) add to this the fact that hes got some serious pop in his punches and you got a guy whos got a very bright future in boxing