**Lucian Bute vs Carl Froch - Build Up Thread!**

I seem to remember Magee stunning Bute as well. Was it in the 4th?

 

battered him - that was an old-fashioned ass-kicking. And Bute may not be impossible to find, but Carl's nearly impossible to miss.

 

Absolute bull****, apart from the Abraham fight, Ward inflicted the least damage on Froch, 'ass-kicking' your from Scotland DF not America.

You'll realize come 1am tonight how silly you were to overrate Bute, and underrate Froch

 

Not the story Carl's face told - Ward was tagging him at will.

I don't over-rate or under-rate either man. I look at them stylistically and Froch is going to have massive problems dealing with Bute. If he wins I'll be delighted for him, I really like Carl, but he's not some well-skilled boxer, he's not a banger, he's no mover and he's got an appalling defence.

Just look at the Johnson fights for both men and you can see what I mean.

 

if (and i dont think this will happen, i think it'll be a long night) bute stops carl early...and easily....how would they justify putting the rematch on ??

 

Bute can be hit, he's different to Ward and Dirrell in way he fights. He will sit just outside of long range looking to counter aggressively he feints and baits his opponent and uses tight footwork to edge away and offset oppnent he's crafty. Magee had a fair bit of success and took 2 rounds on my card IIRC. He did well that night but didn't have enough quality to carry it off. He landed a few left hands outside the eye line of Bute. Different stances though so Carl will need to use his jab and left hook. Things need to be tighter and more thoughtful against Bute.

 

Magee is also a more orthodox fighter in his approach - his jab, straight, hook are all textbook. He's got a decent defence, but he just lacks the physical gifts to make them count.

Carl is totally unorthodox and is crafty, but he doesn't have the physical tools to really utilise his style effectively at the top level.

 

oh...that makes more sense.....not how i read it up to this though, but makes sense now

 

So bruising justifies a battering? I have to disagree, I understand what your saying, stylistically this fight should favor Bute, but the fact of the matter is, Bute can be hurt, you don't have to be a banger to hurt him, I might be in the minority but I think Froch can stand off and box Bute fairly competitively, Carl would more then likely come up short if he does, but Bute is not Andre Ward, he is nowhere near as skillful, or as awkward.

Let's be honest Glen Johnson went over to Canada for the pay cheque, he didn't even look interested.

 

He won maybe two rounds and was out-boxed, out-punched and out-hustled.

He's been hurt once. Berrio, a good puncher, didn't hurt him. Froch can be hurt. Taylor did big damage to him and, if he wasn't so risk averse now, could have finished Carl off. And Taylor's not a big puncher.

If Carl can establish his jab and stay behind it, then yes. But Bute is good at drawing leads and has a variety of shots to take advantage of openings. Froch's right hand is decent, but he labours it when he throws.

Johnson has never been a pay-cheque fighter, that a daft, speculative thing to say.

 

Dft your right, Magee's a much more crisper and straight up technician.

i actually don't think Bute will fight close to ropes, i think the fight will be fought in centre ring i think he will look to dictate pace of fight but also not put to much pressure on his feet which have had issues recently. Both use jabs in different ways i personally feel Carl has the better jab but Bute doesn't use the jab in normal fashion he flicks it to distract and gauge range of opponent and create openings. He likes to touch opponents gloves so Carl's got to be take a step back out at times. He also seemed to be training with left hand higher so maybe Rob's got to him finally. I think Froch's jab will land quite well tonight. Bute isn't exactly side on at times he squares body a little and jabs do land because he's quite loose with hand placements.

Bute does have weaknesses he's not as compact as Ward. He tires as well which helps Froch later on. He doesn't defend body at all which is bizarre when you see how well he digs to body you'd think he'd take more care. Carl's better doubling jab and stepping to left as he does it. Has to avoid the counter left hand to head and body. I've also noticed Bute falls out of position at times he does have some flaws.

I think it's a closer fight then many others think, Carl i think shouldn't walk straight in like Andrade. He needs to apply mental pressure to Bute by making him miss by staying at range and picking his moments to raid to head and body. Easier said then done but Lucian does offer openings and loses his form as fight goes on. He tends to commit to punches that aren't there.

In saying that Bute does some really impressive things he's so crafty and crafty in a good way he traps you and baits you into throwing, If Froch doesn't stop his success and weapons he will destroy his homecoming he can't rely on pure heart it's just not enough he's got tools that can help aid him to victory please Carl use them!. I expect a tactical opening and it to open up in 3rd or 4th and ebb and flow. It's hard for me to pick a winner cos head says Bute and heart says Froch but when watching Bute indepth today i don't see him dominating Froch like Ward did. I can see the later part of fight being brilliant as both slug it out for supremacy.

It's a really intriguing fight, cannot wait lads. Seriously could be FOTY stuff.

 

Johnson wasn't a pay cheque fighter, until he went over to Canada, he just didn't try.

 

And that means he got battered? Not at all, he just got comprehensively out boxed.

 

Froch has a good chance on this one, I couldn't see it being any more different to the fight with Ward. Bute's foot movement is not all that IMO and that is the key to making a fight vs. Froch an easy night's work, as Ward did.

Both men like to fight at long range which should make it flow nicely and give us as fans a good, action packed fight to watch. Bute wants the distance to draw them stinging counter punches whilst we've seen how crowded and poor Carl's work can become when he's forced to fight in close and not get full extension on his punches. Therefore, if they both have their preferred range to work in, the fight should IMO be decided by who isd able to impose their style more on the fight.

I think Carl's jab will be key. They both through it from low and with spite behind it, not as a particular weapon to set up straight punches behind but as a hard shot itself. Here, I can see Froch winning the battle; I think his jab is better and if he can make it dominate, it will negate Bute's from the Southpaw stance whilst also reducing the effect of having his left hand low. Then from there, the other key for Froch is his right hand. He wants to be throwing that a lot more than the left hook, which in general is a wide punch that can easily be punished by Bute's decent right hook if it gets sloppy, as it often does.

Defensively, Bute is not a great deal better at slipping/blocking punches but evades more because of controlling range. As I said, I don't think that will be much of an issue in this fight as both will want to be in the centre of the ring so I can see Froch having success finding Bute. The right hand will be key in that; straight right leads, which he often uses to set up combos and more looping shots could really wear Bute down. I think these can really take an accumulative toll if he gets them in early doors.

However, going on the form guide, you have to make Bute favourite. He doesn't move great I think generally, but he does make nice feints to set up punches from different angles and that could be key, especially if he looks for Carl's body. Froch not being a classic upright fighter will make it harder for Bute to take advantage of his counterpunching I imagine but he does have the power to hurt Froch and that could be a significant advantage. I don't predict a kncokout and if it does go 12 rounds, I can see it being very, very close on the scorecards. Which is where, the Nottingham home advantage come become a factor again...

 

I think Carl's long arms will help him, he also steps back out well and stays in position to counter. He could catch Bute on way in, My major worry is when he throws punches to body from range. He's wide open to counter uppercut from Bute.

He looked even slower against Ward then normal, i do worry about how much he has left but if he does have a bit left he can win this!. Amped fully :happy.

Off to riverside for a chill in sun with missus then back for football and then the big one.

Carl Froch: Last of a dying breed!