Lucian Bute vs. Kelly Pavlik - who wins?

Plus Bute has probably seen the Hopkins - Pavlik fight.

 

Yeah that definitely helps as a learning tool.

I don't see Pavlik pulling a Rocky Balboa (Clubber rematch?) and acquiring amazing footwork after being trained by Apollo Creed.

 

LOL at the Qoute. yeah it just sort of poped in my head as a visual. but to me i see a weakness in this fight . if you noticed all those fighters you mentioned throw looping right hands.:smooch KP Right hand are Straight and right Down the Middle. also KP has a pretty good left hook and Bute Right hook isn't really that great his jab is more effective in order for im to use it effectivly he would have to take a quick step to the Right and counter off the Jab. Andrade hit him with afew right hands and upper cuts. he tends to feel good on the ropes bad move for anyone fighting Kp so is moving str8 back and BUte tends to do both. if he can keep Kp in the center of the ring and throw of his Foward Movement yeah sure he can Outbox him but easier said then doen. why do you think only a master Boxer Like B-hop was able to do that to him. i stiff Telephone Jab to the face is very damaging to one's confidence and Game plan. and a good Long powerful Jab negates speed. Ala Forest vs Mosely and Pbf vs Judah. you have some good points but KP's right hand would find it's mark. Styles make fights and in my Opinion Kp's Style gives him the Edge.

 

of course Kp aint doing that to B-hop in a rematch. And bute is no Hopkins . B-hop used alot of old School tricks and Movements in that fight. you'll notice he used the old Jersey Joe walk away and Smack him with a right hand then then turn to your left waway and hit him with the LEft . sorry bute Bute aint coming out with these. bute is a very good fighter. and if he could use B-hops style in that fight then you right but againg he's not B-hop and fights nothing like him.

Oh and if you want to see B-hops game plan excecuted to the tee in another fight take a look at the Mosely Vs Margocheto fight. oh and he just so happened to have the same trainer as b-hop for that fight .

 

Bute will make The Ghost disappear.

 

Pavlik by brutal easy KO cant believe how overrated Bute is getting.

 

seems like alot of people underate the improtance of a good jab to close distance and throw the other fighters off. Speed can Dazzel you and some times make you blind to weaknesses. hope this fight happens it'll be good

 

lmao that **** is hilarious and literally made me laugh everytime he did it. Someone has to make a gif of that ****.

I never said Bute was Hopkins. The only thing i compared between them is Bute's ability to use angles when punching and him being able to constantly turn Pavlik like B-hop making it very difficult to get set to punch and find a rhythem.

In regards to Pavlik's ability to land his right hand vs Bute, lol i still disagree, i think he'll have a hard time and certainly don't think he'll land it easily like you make it sound.

To settle the right hand debate i guess we'll have to wait for the actual fight, who ever is right can gloat a little afterwards lol

 

I see no reason Bute couldn't adopt similar tactics. Bute's a good counter puncher and is faster than Pavlik. pavlik is quite predictable and likes 2 come forward. Plays into Bute hands.

 

But he 's not coming in with his hands down ala Rickey Hatton . well it's just my opinon. we'll see when the fight comes off

 

There are some good points here, though I disagree about how the fight plays out.

Firstly, Pavlik's vulnerability to counter-punchers has been exaggerated quite a lot. Hopkins beat him mainly by getting off first and then outhustling him on the inside, rather than "counter-punching" as has been suggested. Really, I think Pavlik's quite a difficult guy to counter-punch, because he places his punches well, always comes in behind the jab and sticks to the basics, not getting wild. He also throws from quite a distance in order to get full extension, meaning he's often unavailable for return fire. Allowing Pavlik to get off on you is a big mistake, so I don't think countering will really be Bute's game plan.

I think Bute's movement and his speed are the real keys. Pavlik doesn't seem to respond well to guys who don't just stand straight up. Bute does give a lot of lateral movement, and I can see that being a major point of frustration for Pavlik. If Bute can stay away, get inside quickly and drop a flurry, then move away again - that's how he wins. It's not going to be easy!

Pavlik's game plan has to be to be prepared to drop the early rounds, but to force Bute to fight at a very high pace. Bute doesn't have the level of spoiling skill that Hopkins does (nor the ingenuity and roughness on the inside) to slow the fight down as Hopkins did. Also bear in mind that Pavlik was far from in the peak physical and mental condition we saw him in against Miranda and Taylor I. If he's willing to roll the dice, I think Pavlik has a good shot at getting to Bute late; I don't expect Bute to be able to sustain the activity level needed to keep the Ghost off of him for 12.

 

yeah is was quite Funny. but like you said we'll see and it the JAb of Kp's that i think will win the fight as it sets up the Right hand and gauges his distance. i just don't see Lucian using the tactics that B-hop used. i can't wiat fo this fight to happen. and im a fan of both fighters. TBH i hope they build this fight as a unification so the winner has a strong claim to the 168lb throne. IF Stieglitz beats Miranda you can bet HBO makes the call tohave him fight KP. then they set up a unification with Bute.

 

Pavlik is nowhere near as available as Andrade, though; that's the thing. Andrade leaps in with wild shots, which may make him unpredictable, but against top guys it leaves him out of position and massively vulnerable to counter-punching. Pavlik is very methodical, always starts with the jab, places his punches and makes sure he controls the range. Bute will have to work harder to find his chances than he's used to.

 

Agree on your main points. Bute staying out of range, jumping in with combo's (and willing to take a shot or two in the process) and turning or moving back out is basically how he operates.

He also is rarely standing straight up as you mentioned. He usually is quite low and frequently actually leans back to stay out of range.

And your analysis on how Pavlik beats Bute is right on. I think Pavlik will have to take alot of hard, hard shots against Bute but if he manages to survive, makes Bute throw alot consistantly to help wear him out and can turn it on in the late rounds that's his best chance.

I'd love to see a 24/7 for a Pavlik - Bute fight. It'd also be very smart from a HBO point of view if they're going to use Bute as a counter claim for 168 legitimacy to the Sho-time guys. Build him about, let people see him.

I'd love to see Bute behind the scene's stuff