Lucian Bute why ???

I have Ward / Bute / Froch in a combination of H2H & resume ranking... but I'll take a quick stab at the #1 case just for the hell of it. I'll exaggerate a bit, so don't flame me for "being serious"... :yep

- Bute dominated Bika at a time where Bika wanted to rise. Sure, Bika had lost to Soliman in the guy's backyard. But Bika came back, got a shot at Beyer (headbutt-induced TD) and Calzaghe (UD). After he decisioned Thysse, he earned an eliminator. That was Bute. A boxing lesson. Ward fought Bika after Bika's sequence of meaningless fights... and after a 4th chance at a title, which was Bute's belt too... but he lost by DQ. The guy had lost ALL motivation fighting Ward for a fight that wasn't even part of the S6.

- Bute's uppercuts ended Berrio's career. His last 5 opponents combine for a 27-59 record. Impressive. I mean the guy got TKO11 by Stieglitz for an eliminator, but TKO3'ed him in the actual (vacant) title fight. Bute was his first mandatory, better yet first fight since he had won the title. The man got destroyed both physically and mentally.

(we'll skip shot Joppy)

- First fight with Andrade, who had just come from a TKO8 over Stieglitz (who, outclassed in a SECOND IBF eliminator, decided to go after the paper WBO title Balzsay had)... Bute dominated the first 10.5 rounds, gassed and learned a lesson. Gotta improve on the stamina side of the house. Controversial ending, sure. But the total fight time clock expired right after he got up at 8. Whatever, you haters can yap all night about it being a robbery or whatnot... the IBF disagrees. (do I hear "the IBF can sukk my cokk!!")

- Zuniga faced decent opposition between Lopez and Bute... again, Bute ended a career. Post-Bute combined opposition of 10-38-1. Again, impressive. So after beating Lopez, he got TKO'ed by Pavlik in 9, he lost a UD to Inkin in a title fight. Bute TKO4'ed a seasoned Zuniga who, at 32, had heavy hands for a MW but was nothing special at SMW... why exactly is he fighting Cloud at LHW?!?!?!???

- The Andrade rematch was just great. Andrade was ranked 3rd by The Ring in the first fight, and was 5th when the rematch took place. The man was rock solid, had never been knocked out and had only lost to the SMW king -Kessler- at the time. Beat Tsypko after losing the decision to Bute, and came back even hungrier. Awesome stamina... but Bute dropped him with was then confirmed as his most powerful weapon. Andrade's face was a mess when the ref went for the count. And Kessler didn't even come close to rocking Andrade hard...

- I always thought Miranda, who shattered AA's jaw and defeated the all powerful Allan Green at MW, was a dumb fighter. Bute made him look dumber, even at age 29... stopped in the 4th, that's earlier than what AA & Pavlik could do. Ward dominated him, but not in spectacular fashion - yet, probably took more flush shots from Bika than Miranda. Not an extremely valuable opponent for Bute at that time, but not a mandatory either...

...who da mandatory?!? Brinkleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!!!! Who actually lost to Robin Reid... let's not talk about him.

So there you have it, a case for 6 of Bute's last 8 opponents. A tad biaised, with a rare hint of nonsense.

Good enough? End thread?

 

NO


Bika - Solid win probably the best on his resume but still he hasn't won anything or beaten anyone at the Top level.

Berrio - Gate Keeper beat Stieglitz to get the vacant IBF SMW title both guys haven't beat anyone at the Top level, lost in his 1st defence against Bute.

Andrade - Journeyman his best win against Stieglitz *see Berrio, was already Dominated and shutout by Kessler 2 years before, Yet the Journeyman gave Bute the Bambi treatment rocked and out of his feet then tasted the canvas with a very long count he arguably gave Bute his 1st unofficial loss :yep Bute needed a rematch to finally beat the Journeyman.

Zuniga - nothing to say hasn't beaten anyone at the Top Level or at any Level.

Miranda - same as Zuniga, Already beaten by Abraham x2 and Ward.

Brinkley - oh god yh you get the picture :neutral:

All guys on Bute's resume havent won anything or looked like doing so, so anyone Ranking him in the top 2 or 3 is a joke FACT.

 

Ha. Some Froch fanboy like you was on here today saying that rating resume is two-fold... the schedule, and the result. Maybe Bute's schedule is weak -probably because of that strange thing called the S6, to which Bute wasn't invited due to ongoing business with #3 SMW at the time- but the results are simply phenomenal. Yep, even compared to Froch who only has AA as a dominating win.

I'm done here, I gave it a BIASED shot as explained above. Go fvck yourself now. :hi:

 

That was Biased and that was the best you could come up with, says alot about Bute :hey Froch Loss to Kessler is 10x better than any of Bute's wins

FACT

:hi:

 

Yeah Bute got good all around skills, power and footwork, but hasn't fought anyone to really impress me.

Froch's, Ward's, and even dirrell's win over AA trumps everything Bute Has done. Adrande was a joke. It's not impressive to see an unskillful fighter beating regardless of how tough he is supposed to be. Adrande had not skills. Bika is Bute's best win.

Hopefully all this Dirrell mess is a set up for a Dirrell vs Bute match up. It sure looks like Showtime was behind Dirrell pulling out the super 6 which coinsided with Bute Joining Showtime. Seeing that they are letting dirrell out the tourney sky free makes me feel that they are setting up Ward vs Dirrell later on and plan on Dirrell taking away Bute's Free ride to the winner of the super 6.

 

I wouldn't call it a Fact but I definately agree. :deal

 

so, I see, you are plain stupid

 

No need to argue. Everyone knows Bute is very talented. It just so happened that everyone has been getting there top level match ups in the S6 while Bute is one the sideline waiting near the finish line. Bute's Time will come. Till then he still doesn't have a World Class Fighter under his belt. That will not be the case in the Future but for now there are nothing but B class fighters on his resume. Hopefully this Dirrell mess is a set up for a Dirrell vs Bute Match up. They should have that fight along with the s6 final on one telecast.

 

Because he is the best super middle weight there is.


Ward is a fraud. Without his home town ref he gets destroyed by top contenders. Hold and head butt much? Yeah thats not going to fly in the real world.

 

Horrible justification.

If you are being sarcastic and intending to mock Bute, cool.

 

He does manage to sneak a few punches in there while not taking too much punishment. To say this is all ward is about is BLINDING yourself. He only did it to one guy (Kessler) who had shown that he couldn't fight going backwards. He didn't do it to anyone else. There is alot more to it than that.

Basically if you think Ward is a Fraud then you are just uninformed or hating on the man refusing to see the skill right in front of your face. Put that hate to the side and let your eyes tell you the truth. Ward is as skillful as anyone. Hope you don't have your hopes up for someone beating him because nobody in the S6 will. Bute will have a shot but all the slow guys have no chance.

 

the irony. a bute fan talkin about hometown refs lol

 

Actually Froch's 2 best wins prior to the Super6 exceeds anything on Bute's record....a Pascal win and a Taylor win away from home are better than anything that Bute has done thus far in his career.Bute might be the greatest SM of all time but how are we meant to know until he starts fighting the top guys in and around 168lbs.