Luis Ortíz vs. Charles Lee Martin

If you buy this your only giving them more reason to make **** fights ppv

 

Ortiz is in poor shape, Martin is in better shape but not so good.

Sanchez looks fit, Hammer looks awful.

Washington is in excellent shape, Demirzen looks like he never trained much.

Coffee and Rice look overweight but not too bad.

Vykhryst and Kiladze look to be in excellent shape.

 

I wanted to bet Sanchez/Hammer OVER but man Hammer looks like dog**** ...he probably just left the Raclette buffet to fight Sanchez. Pass for me.

Same for Demirezen. I know Demirezen had a lot of problems with injuries and his look is pretty poor although his weight isn't as bad as you might think from the optics.

Rice much heavier than in the first fight is interesting. Not so smart if he wants to stick & move and pump that straight right into Coffies face. But Rice is experienced as **** so i guess he knows what he's doing. I got some Rice at +145 to beat the crap out of Coffie again.

 

Both Martin and Ortiz look like they had really nice holidays at the weigh-in LOL

I still have 55 year old Ortiz to spark out Martin in 4

Happy New Years guys!

 

Although if Martin wins the list will have to be updated. Happy New Year bro!

 

The list is past needing updated lol. Cheers.

 

Agreed his chin isn't half as bad as that Joshua loss suggested and yes he did look better than I've ever seen Martin vs Washington, his foot work alone while still not great at least he wasn't falling over his own feet and his balance previously had been so bad it was like watching bambi on ice. But that was almost 2 years ago and I wonder how he'll look with all that time off.

I agree that Martin will take over in the 2nd half as Ortiz tires but will Martin make it too the second half? Even with a good chin Ortiz has serious power and could stop Martin and Martin still makes mistakes at times which can be countered based off of the Washington fight.

It's an intriguing match up because of the unknowns. How much does Ortiz have left, how good is Martin really and how has the 2 years off effected. It's a fight where anything could happen because of a number of factors. But I still favour Ortiz's class and power to get Martin out of there before Ortiz's gas tank empties. But if you're right and Martin adopts the Wilder tactic of just surviving the first half and waiting for Ortiz to tire then we could see an upset as Ortiz sucks at cutting off the ring.

 

If the geriatric can’t knock out the severely flawed Martin, Wilder starts the year where he left off - with another L.

Didn’t he lose to Kownacki

 

So what? Helenius beat Kownacki twice but lost to Washington. Washington was dominated from start to finish and stopped by Martin.

 

I,m 88% sure that Martin wins

 

Also Ortiz is 47 not 42 me thinks

 

You mean 67 right?

 

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Yeah - I agree with pretty much all that you said there. Martin wasn't expecting AJ to come out firing like he did. He was hurt some, yes, but the actual stoppage seemed to result from Martin simply giving up. Total demoralization.

I just spent a few moments considering what either fighter's gameplan might be for the rest of 2022 if they win. And the outlook for both looks limited.

Charles Martin: If he wins inside of 4-5 rounds (very unlikely, IMO)....I suppose he's well positioned to fight Wilder in a comeback fight (assuming Wilder's team doesn't somehow buy their way into the WBA Regular mess) on the basis of having stopped Ortiz earlier than Wilder managed to do. This assumes that Wilder is still interested in "rebuilding" and not merely hanging it up if he can't be fast-tracked to another title fight.

Otherwise, if Martin outpoints Ortiz (seems unlikely) or stops Ortiz in the back half (somewhat more likely if he makes it that far) - this will be seen merely as "nature taking its course" and not a strong endorsement for Martin. What can you really do then? Be a stepping stone for Jared Anderson or a post on the comeback trail for Andy Ruiz Jr? A Wilder fight could pay decently for Charles - but either way he's kind of filling the "Chris Arreola lane" if that makes sense. I suppose if he does win and then somehow gets a fight with Wilder and wins - there's a hope of a title fight. But we're starting to get into "killer asteroid striking the Earth" odds...

Luis Ortiz Jr: If he wins (which I expect) - then I think you might be looking at him fighting Efe Ajagba or Frank Sanchez within 6 months. Both fights would make sense to me since Ajagba needs to bounce back against a name and Sanchez seems to stay very active. And I wouldn't be suprised if Ortiz would be looking at a fight with Jared Anderson within the next year. Decent fights but not "big money". Ortiz is strictly a gatekeeper from this point forward. No path to a title fight that I can see.

Come to think of it - he'll probably get those Ajagba or Anderson fights even if he loses.

 

I really think it's a stretch to say Martin dominated Washington. I do think he was winning most of the rounds, but neither fighter was landing much of anything....and sometimes not even throwing much of anything. Hard to use the "dominate" word in those circumstances.

Helenius never really put Washington in the phone booth. That was a mistake. Washington is just awful in that scenario. When Washington put himself in a phone booth with Wilder - the fight was over in about 30 seconds. He certainly didn't do much better there with Kownacki. Miller bludgeoned Washington there, too (except for a 45 second period when Washington let his hands go when Miller missed a combo). It's not his storng suit. Washington can put power on his shots (e.g. Helenius and Jerry Forrest KOs) - but he needs to be at his ideal, longer range to do that.

Martin had Washington in close quarters several times. And what happened? Martin wasn't throwing much of anything while Washington mercilessly shelled Martin's shoulders and sternum and a few other spots that acoomplish nothing whatsoever.

Yeah, Martin stopped him...but shouldn't he have done it sooner?