Luis Ortiz Is the best heavyweight game

Savon is a very different fighter to Ortiz so bringing him up is pointless.

But I do think Joshua like Ortiz struggles with movement, we saw that at the Olympics against Savon and Dychko. But Joshua for his flaws still has better movement than Ortiz. Though I still think Ortiz is a dangerous fight for Joshua as Joshua will be more aggressive and give Ortiz more openings than Scott did, but then of course Joshua poses a far bigger threat to Ortiz offensively as well than Scott.

 

joshua has never fought a fighter as negative as scott, and he's not got the fastest feet either, the thing with savon is, that's probably what a younger ortiz would have done too and years ago his style was similar to savon,

 

Ortiz had numerous opportunities to load up and smash Scott out of there and he was unable to do it, he lined up on the ropes just waiting for it to happen...Joshua would have had him out in the first round!

 

joshua has never fought anyone as negative as scott, and would joshua have stopped scott don't know? even if joshua did stop scott it doesn't mean he could beat ortiz nothing really changed regardless of what the casuals say, it's the same ortiz and naturally he's a counter puncher, if joshua comes to him it could be good night for aj

 

I have no doubts Joshua would have had a stoppage in that fight it was there for the taking against an opponent who offered no resistance what so ever and although I agree that doesnt necessarily mean he would beat Ortiz, I also have no doubts he would....you say Orttiz is a counter puncher, but its difficult to counter 4,5,6 punch combinations against an opponent who is extremely light on his feet and has quicker upper body movement and hands; all this if AJ comes to him nonsense means absolutely nothing, fighters dont make game plans that make them vulnerable, they fight to their own strenghths!

 

if your clearly a big joshua fan, but he has alot of limitations also and alot of them were show when he was utterly schooled and dominated and nearly koed by savon, he's not exactly the lightest on his feet either, and yes because aj would come do ortiz and trade punches, not going backwards like scott, ortiz could counter and knock him out especially early on, we've seen aj countered and hurt vs whyte, if you break down the styles, joshua isn't going to move alot he's going to come straight to ortiz and ortiz could catch and finish him

 

Hard to look good against that, it was less than negative, Scott was fleeing so hard he was literally losing his balance. He was like a frantic deer in the first few rounds

 

Ultimately im a boxing fan and I watch Ortiz and Joshua...have you ??...I wonder because to say he is not light on his feet and he wont move alot, when they are a large part of his ability to create angles to land shots seems a little odd!

 

Using an amateur fight regarding a boxer who had very few amateur fights at the time is shaky ground as a reference point for how a fight would pan out in the pro ranks, years later. But in principle I take your point that last night's fight is no real guidance to how a AJ vs Ortiz fight would unfold. What we can conclude though, is Ortiz is pretty one-dimensional and over-hyped, albeit his style of fighting might work against Joshua.

 

joshua against world class fighters like savon and camarelle looked like he had concrete blocks around his feet, big difference in fighting charles martin and whyte compared to savon, i doubt you've not seen to many aj fights, you find out everything vs the best

 

Haha you are arguing your point based upon his Am career wtf he is a much improved fighter since he became pro, with 17 fights behind him he is a world champion that is still improving, what relevance does this have??

 

nah, if ortiz is one dimensional, then what are the rest of the heavyweight's?

and a boxing match is a boxing match, and if you watched savon joshua, he almost koed joshua in the last round with head gear on, he exposed his limitations to in that fight, and although savon is the best heavyweight out there and ridiculously talented, things like movement and good boxing can beat joshua, if ortiz is one dimensional then so is joshua

 

much improved? how? based on fighting who? charles martin etc are nowhere near the level of savon or camarelle that's a fact whyte or breazaele either, if you refuse to believe how easily savon beat aj isn't exposing some flaws and lack of technique in aj's game then your truely delusional, is ortiz as good as savon? definitely not but he has some of the same counter punching abilities and was trained in the same program, style wise it could play right into ortiz and he could knock joshua out cold

 

Nah... Like I say, it was an amateur fight, years ago when Joshua was raw. If you can't see the significance of that - dismissing it entirely reveals a credibility gap between the two of us - then there's little point discussing it further. Good day to you, squire...

 

Not much relevance at all.