Luis Ortiz Is the best heavyweight game

Haha carry on quoting a few names you researched on boxrec.....clueless

 

Vlad would outbox Ortiz. Ortiz is slow, easy to hit and could not knock out Scott, who is a chicken, no chin at all................

 

PEDS? Based on what? In that case Floyd has been on it his entire career because there is more evidence of that than fatboy Ortiz.

Regardless, I'd say he is one of the top 3 HWs right now.
He'd tear Wlad a new *******.
He'd give Fury the biggest hiding he's going to receive.
Joshua's an unknown quantity because he has failed to fight anyone but if his chin is suspect, another KO victim.
Parker, beard unknown, but likely an Ortiz UD.
Wilder, the bum of the month brigade won't stop him getting scraped off the canvas.

Right now, the HW division is so weak it is unbelievable.

 

you wish. I know more about the sport than you ever will 100% guaranteed you probably haven't heard of half the names in my post lol you said it clueless

 

nah nah na na naaaahhhhhh wtf

 

Ahhh you like hypotheticals... great. So consider this: Match up Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Lewis et al as amateurs vs them as pros: meaning, amateur Ali vs pro Ali, amateur Lewis vs pro Lewis and so on. Which wins over 12 rounds? lol.

Your assertion a lot of the top amateurs are more skilled (and are, therefore, a reasonable reference point) than the top pros kinda crumbles under the weight of one simple hypothetical question doesn't it, Mr Casualista?

Also, you say: '90% of the top amateurs of the time the most skilled boxers' (sic). But they're the very same people who turn over (more often than not) and become the top pros. Your reasoning is horridly flawed.

Which brings me back to the original point: picking out one amateur fight and extrapolating a theory that pro boxer 1 would beat (or trouble) pro boxer 2, years later after the kind of development (physical and technical) we have established nearly all fighters go through as their career develops, is frankly ridiculous.

Each fighter has their own learning curve, dedication and physical attributes. Some age faster than others (RJJ) some much slower (Hopkins). Some peak early (Tyson) some later (Lewis) so much so, when they fight can be the deciding factor over everything else. The list goes on.

And yet, here you are, looking back at three rounds of amateur boxing, casting aside all other factors which could come into play and building a straw man argument.

I've discussed boxing with a good few people on here, some of whom know way more than me about this sport and I enjoy learning from them. There are the funny trolls who just like to get a reaction and they're good fun at times. There's a few fanbois too - that's fine, whatever floats their boat although it's not for me. But you? You have a unique position on this forum as the poster with the widest credibility gap between how you perceive your knowledge of this sport and how others perceive that knowledge based on what you impart.

 

didn't you say ortiz got exposed? and voted malik scott getting robbed in a poll please, I've heard the nonsense from you casuals time and time again, I can prove you wrong on every single point and as far as amateurs and pros, the best fighters in boxing history and the most dominant fighters today prove your nonsense wrong, whether you want to believe it or not, amateur expereince is vital and your saying this about pro lewis destroys amateur lewis?

well for guys like lomachenko and rigondeaux they were just always that good, hence why they don't need alot of pro fights, they were already the best, and you can look into it with fighters like inoue who had good am experience to and won a pro title early, has nothing to do with pro and am they were already good enough, someone a lot of casuals like you will never understand, elite level amateur boxing isn't amateur at all

 

Based on what? Really? lol

 

Lomachenko is a world champion with only 7 fights in total. His first fight was a championship fight.

 

Hatman is quite wrong on alot of things he says.


Amateurs are not better than the pros thats why when you hear someone say "he still fights like an amateur " in a pro bout they are reffering to the mistakes he is making.

Amateur Joshua < Pro Joshua

Im not sure thats what you're saying ???


Joshua skills are vastly better now then 7 years ago , fighters progress thats the main point of boxing fight after fight, only the more skilled fighters will excell past the other limited ones and Joshua is definitely not limited .

 

Is this Ortiz's movement pre or post horrific PED use? He's just a fat 50 year old plodder now he can't drink his magical mojo juice pops.

 

funny that because last time i checked ortiz was the only heavyweight on all year round wada testing, looks the internet is just full of you keyboard trolls

 

hatman is probably the most credible channel out there and knows alot more than you for sure and the casuals,

I don't think you realize how absurd your argument is elite amateurs like savon are better than anyone joshua has fought by a landslide and probably he;ll never face a more skilled boxer again, only fighters on that level will expose aj loopholes, and yeh you may be fooled but charles martin and breazeale will never be able to show them

they say mayweather and rigondeaux have the most amateurish styles in boxing, but look who dominates pro boxing, your either an alt of the other guy but u casuals have a huge amount to learn

 

Amateurs dont fight like pros , a seasoned pro is better skilled set than the amateur rules and settings only a fool wouldn't be able to see this .

Though feel free to name all these amateur fighters walking right into pro boxing fighting the champions if you really think they are better fighters? lol


And no , i find hatman more comical than informative and actually corrected his views on more than 3 occasions .

 

poor man you haven't a clue, just a casual, "amateurs" like rigondeaux and lomachenko basically did just that and won world titles with hardly any pro experience there's lots of examples, basically the whole top 10 p4p is stacked with good amateurs

amateurs don't fight like pros? well how did lomachenko rigondeaux and the likes dominate pro boxing with exactly the same style literally exactly the same, you haven't the slightest clue