Luis Ortiz Is the best heavyweight game

Exactly, so now he isn't juicing he isn't as good is he? He looks a shadow of his former juiced-self.

 

Rigo has EXTENSIVE amateur background since 2000 ,the other guy fought no one yet really but thats one guy not the rule in general particularly to HW's who arent as well rounded usually so it takes a bit more time to hone their skills where one punch can end a fight ,so thats why you dont see HW's jumping into the mix fast under 20 fights ,Joshua is a exception and he doesnt even have alot amateur exp. He doesnt fight like he did in the amateurs ,and if you think he does you have a low boxing IQ .

PRO Fighters usually progress the most between 10/20 fights the most because they start to FIX the amateur mistakes they make...you just don't get it., i could name several pro fighters who avenged amateur losses including Joshua ....lol

 

i agree ortiz does look like rubbish recently compared to how he looked there but that was after coming off a ban and there was vada testing in that fight so no, but he might have got caught up to by father time a little bit we;ll see

 

To end the argument..u say there is no evidence to say joshua has improved since his amateur days...he fought whyte as an am..got.outboxed and stopped.he fought him as a pro and not only outboxed him but sparked him clean out...yup your right there is no proof he has improved since he was amateur......... oops.

Your argument of ams are better than the pro..ffs!!then why Dont the ams just turn pro take all the belts of the pro's and make a ton of money??!!!!

 

BAHAHAAH he fought whyte in his second ever boxing match ever, he fought savon camarelle at the top of his game, would the joshua who won a silver medal at the worlds have done the same thing to whyte he did as a pro 100% and you know it

 

every single boxer in the world will improve from their second fight massively, but then there's come's a point where your just beaten by better and more talented fighters

 

Just guess work tho..the only fact is that he lost as an amateur but won as a pro..

 

Loma is one of the exceptions that proofs the rule, which is why people often mention he fought for world title in only his 2nd fight - against Salido who failed to make weight so he may have won without this factor - and narrowly failed to pick up the belt. Winning a world title in his 3rd fight was a stand out achievement but to cite this as evidence of how amateurs could typically match their pro counterparts is a bit disingenuous because it's the very fact that what Loma did is so extraordinary which highlights what is more typical - namely boxers progress throughout their career and adapt their style to meet the needs of 12 round championship pro boxing. Loma had a pro style even during his amateur days, so perversely his achievements actually supports the view that, typically, amateurs could not live with their pro counterparts.

In the UK, the most lauded amateur fighters of recent years are Frankie Gavin and Luke Campbell; the former never adapted to the pro ranks and the latter is struggling to do so. I'm sorry but amateur and pro boxing are typically so different, an amateur record is, at best, a signpost to potential greatness in the pro ranks, but it's what happens once they turn over which is key.

This, of course, might change over the next decade or so with the introduction of APB and six round contests.

 

paddy barnes lost his first 15 fights as an amateur, joshua in his second fight was fighting a guy with loads of kick boxing experience, dillian whyte never made the gb squad, i don't think you understand the difference

 

Loma's lost to salido! he now as a more experienced pro would wipe the floor with him!! becoming pro improved loma

 

They're not.

 

Dude is old & his time is ticking... Maybe the "Juice" can keep him in the game a couple more yearz but AJ or Wilder will stop him.

 

Then I don't see how the Scott fight tells us a great deal about his chances vs Joshua. Fair enough it was an underwhelming performance but let's see him back in there with a more comparable opponent before writing him off. Someone like Duhaupas would give us a good gauge on where he stands.